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Schooldinners1 · 2023-06-03T18:11:58+00:00

When will people stop getting these dogs? There have been so many stories of it going horribly wrong. I don’t know what people are thinking! Especially with vulnerable people in the property like kids and elderly people. There are hundreds of dogs out there! Why choose to get these dogs that have a history of being unstable. Its awful! [[https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12155105/Woman-Pensioner-Mauled-Death-Control-Banned-Breed-Dog-Bedworth-Warwickshire.html ARTICLE]]

OutIander · 03/06/2023 22:50

TooJoy · 03/06/2023 22:42

It’s awful of course but not unexpected.

But it was a banned breed and there are only certain types of idiots who buy dogs because they’re a banned breed.

I have a massive bull mastiff X American bulldog x god knows what else and I have absolutely no issues with any breed but we definitely need tighter rules and restrictions.

I don’t believe in banning specific breeds because

we’d have to ban multiple breeds - right now it’s bull breeds but in the past the status dogs have been Rottweilers, Dobermans, akitas, German Shepard’s etc. And banning the breed makes them more ‘cool’.
because crap owners buy all sorts of dogs and collies and huskies are both known to be very aggressive if not raised correctly but because they’re not a status dog then they won’t get banned but there’ll still be injuries and deaths from out of control dogs.

A pet should be a privilege, not a right.
Everyone should be required to get a license for a dog and prove you can take care of it.
This will help get rid of puppy farms and reduce the strain on rescue centres too.

And the problem with banning multiple breeds is?

BunnyBettChetwynnd · 03/06/2023 22:52

Missingmyusername · 03/06/2023 22:07

Yeah and the U.K government side stepped the law that would stop illegal ear cropping. It’s pointless posting on mn. Get up, stand up and vote.

They are NOT protection dogs. Protection dogs retail upwards £10k. They can be both family dogs and attack dogs because they are stable, highly intelligent, trainable. There are exceptions, but the XL bully is bred for dog fighting by HUMANS. So you may question who is the most unstable, what idiot would think it was a good idea.. 🙄
XL bull dogs used to retail for thousands until idiots started doing it for hundreds. Now they give them away for free, usually seen as a penis extender.

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Crikey, that's put me off of going to the Dog Fest near us. Sounds like a recipe for disaster loads of XL bullies in a park on a hot day with hundreds of kids and dogs around.

EamonsPalliativeCareTracksuit · 03/06/2023 22:53

WiddlinDiddlin · 03/06/2023 21:33

Ah yep..

Dog kept outside.
Dogs owner bragging its a rare breed blah blah (it isn't. It isn't even a recognised breed here or I bet, anywhere).
Fatality happened in their own home/property to a member of their own family.

I will put money on it this was a dog owned with the specific intent to intimidate people - bought from a dodgy source - poorly bred, poorly trained and badly handled.

The common denominator is humans, not dog breeds. This owner with a Malinois, a German Shepherd, a Dutch Herder, an Akita, (all other popular breeds for those who want a big outdoor dog that intimidates people) would have been just as dangerous.

Certain breeds appeal to a certain demographic - not all owners fit that demographic and I know some absolutely exemplary owners of xl bully types (they're also all qualified and well respected trainer/behaviourists though!).

Aside from rescuing, why would anyone want an XL Bully? They’re hideous to look at and always look as if they’re struggling to move. I find it hard to believe that any trainer would be busting a gut to have one. What are they actually good for?

EsmaCannonball · 03/06/2023 22:53

After the last one of these killings I read an article in The Spectator which raised an interesting point. Humans have been living alongside dogs for millennia but it's only in recent decades that people have been keeping dogs bred for fighting or for killing large animals as pets. We need to find some way of establishing that some breeds of dogs were never meant to be pet dogs.

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Schooldinners1 · 03/06/2023 22:54

The common denominator is humans, not dog breeds. This owner with a Malinois, a German Shepherd, a Dutch Herder, an Akita, (all other popular breeds for those who want a big outdoor dog that intimidates people) would have been just as dangerous.

I would disagree with this. XL Bully’s seem to be bred so poorly, they have unstable personalities and just aren’t as clever as some of those breeds mentioned. They must have some mental issues they’ve had bred into them.

A mum at our school has a Malinois - highly intelligent dog. I trust that it will not suddenly eat a member of its own family.

If you can’t treat a dog well, with kindness and make it part of your family you can’t expect it to “protect” you.

I really don’t think XL Bully’s can even be classed next to German Shepherds they are wonderful loyal dogs.

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SoShallINever · 03/06/2023 22:57

SunnySaturdayMorning · 03/06/2023 20:23

They all need rounding up and putting down.

Yes, the dogs as well.

UsTwoAndThreeDogs · 03/06/2023 22:57

Filamumof9 · 03/06/2023 21:59

We own multiple Fila Brasileiro's. In the UK it is a banned breed, but were I live it is a common dog. Over the years, we have owned more than 15 of them and have had a few litters.

Our situation is very different as we live very rural in a place where it takes quite some time for the police to drive and our next door neighbours are about a mile away.

Fila's were bred to hunt and protect initially and not to kill. The times an animal strayed into our yard, my dogs cornered it, but did not kill or attack it. That is what a proper well bred Fila should so. However, breeding a well rounded Fila is very expensive as you need to know their lines, characters of the parents, amount of ojeriza they have etc. For us, we breed on having dogs with little ojeriza, as that is what makes them volatile in the hands of someone without experience. Furthermore, these dogs are so attached to their owners that you need to give them proper attention and care. It is not a breed for everybody and certainly not from dodgy breeders, not knowing their lineage etc. As it is banned in the UK , banned breeds by default are then found from dodgy breeders, which increases the risks. F.e. in my home country there are no such cases known as in the UK while we have similar breeds over here. Actually, the most aggressive dog we ever owned was not a Fila but a chowchow.

I’m so glad you posted “the other side”. We also own dogs that are banned in the UK. In our case it’s the pit bull breed. We also have a husky and an American bulldog. We have had other huskies, malamutes and pit bulls. We are also not in the UK. We have had training in handling large, strong dogs. My husband works in animal welfare. We have acres of land. Whenever I see these stories in the UK it’s these tiny houses, tiny gardens and I feel so sad for the dogs that didn’t stand a chance. Dogs that are not walked, exercised, stimulated, and probably not fed well (tinned food is not good food). Our dogs are fed almost the same food as us, less the seasonings, spices etc. but they eat steak, fish, chicken, Turkey, vegetables, sweet potatoes, beans, rice, pumpkin, etc. All cooked fresh. Nothing out of a tin. I wouldn’t eat tinned food so why on earth would I give it to my dogs? They are protective of the pack (and that includes my husband and me) but not aggressive. We live in an area full of bears, cougars, coyotes. The dogs protect our property. It does annoy me when people think that just because our dogs are the same breed as these kept in tiny gardens in England by people who know nothing about them that our dogs would react and behave the same way.

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Nutsaboutgingertea · 03/06/2023 22:58

So many dogs can do damage though. I agree with pp there seem to be too many dogs around full stop.

kitsuneghost · 03/06/2023 22:59

'They are a lovely family' it states (perhaps not)
Anyway she let her daughter and son in law have the dog there in the first place so no sympathy.

TooJoy · 03/06/2023 23:06

Nutsaboutgingertea · 03/06/2023 22:58

So many dogs can do damage though. I agree with pp there seem to be too many dogs around full stop.

There was a thread a few months ago about things that happened in your childhood and lots of posters said that their parents would let their dog out to roam around all day and it wouldn’t come back until the evening.

It was a great thread but I always think about the dogs roaming around and there would have been lots of children unsupervised too but there didn’t seem to be lots of dog attacks.

So either there was a similar amount but it wasn’t reported as they didn’t have the internet and social media back then or it’s because there’s too many dogs nowadays.

TooJoy · 03/06/2023 23:07

kitsuneghost · 03/06/2023 22:59

'They are a lovely family' it states (perhaps not)
Anyway she let her daughter and son in law have the dog there in the first place so no sympathy.

She may not have realised it was a banned breed though.

ToBeOrNotToBee · 03/06/2023 23:08

TooJoy · 03/06/2023 23:06

There was a thread a few months ago about things that happened in your childhood and lots of posters said that their parents would let their dog out to roam around all day and it wouldn’t come back until the evening.

It was a great thread but I always think about the dogs roaming around and there would have been lots of children unsupervised too but there didn’t seem to be lots of dog attacks.

So either there was a similar amount but it wasn’t reported as they didn’t have the internet and social media back then or it’s because there’s too many dogs nowadays.

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Oh there were dog attacks.

My nan recalls being stalked by a pack of dogs when walking my dad through their housing estate when he was toddling.

It's the reason why culture towards dogs changed.

But as usual rose tinted glasses etc.

kitsuneghost · 03/06/2023 23:11

TooJoy · 03/06/2023 23:07

She may not have realised it was a banned breed though.

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Being banned does not make its jaws any bigger or the dog any stronger.
If would have been bleeding obvious that it could do some damage.

wheresmymojo · 03/06/2023 23:11

I wish people would stop lumping other breeds in with these dogs.... GSDs for example have only been involved in 2 fatalities in 20 years!

The same as Jack Russell Terriers...

TooManyPlatesInMotion · 03/06/2023 23:13

ToBeOrNotToBee · 03/06/2023 22:43

My boy is 5, he's still got his nuts.

I've had people approach me in the street telling me I qualify for neutering vouchers, assuming that I'm on benefits or something because I have a staffordshire bull terrier 🙄

He's intact because he's actually quite nervy and needs that testerone for confidence.

I used a superlorin implant to temporarily neuter him and see if it would affect him and he became scared of his own shadow and so unpredictable around other dogs.

Whilst the implant is no longer active, the reactivity has stayed, wish I never done it now.

Whereas my bitch was spayed 3 days at the age of 2 having had 3 seasons.

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@ToBeOrNotToBee yes, exactly, there are sound reasons for/against, depending on the individual dog. Sorry to hear about the reactivity as a result of the implant 😥

kitsuneghost · 03/06/2023 23:15

TooJoy · 03/06/2023 23:06

There was a thread a few months ago about things that happened in your childhood and lots of posters said that their parents would let their dog out to roam around all day and it wouldn’t come back until the evening.

It was a great thread but I always think about the dogs roaming around and there would have been lots of children unsupervised too but there didn’t seem to be lots of dog attacks.

So either there was a similar amount but it wasn’t reported as they didn’t have the internet and social media back then or it’s because there’s too many dogs nowadays.

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Yeah I got chased by one and my sister got attacked by 2.
Lovely nostalgic moment right there

Didiplanthis · 03/06/2023 23:15

I'm sure lockdown had some effect and unfortunately it came at the same time as the boom in popularity of the xl bully in certain demographics. I have rehomed a very poorly socialised young dog as the previous owner was unable to cope after the dog grew too big. He is NOTHING like an xl bully (skinny medium lurcher !) but away from the safety of home he sometimes loses the plot and panics in his fear reactivity and there is no reasoning with him at that time despite him being an anxious and very loving dog. As such I never ever walk him in busy places and always walk him in a muzzle just in case. With time and patience, professional help and living rurally with lots of secure space, we are slowly getting there, but the thought of that happening in a dog 4-5x his weight and power with strong locking jaws and natural fight instinct is utterly terrifying...no one and nothing would stand a chance.

Didiplanthis · 03/06/2023 23:19

Just also to add .. his losing the plot has never including biting , just barking and throwing himself around.. the muzzle is because I don't know for sure if he would ever cross that line... I dont think so but at the end if the day he is a dog not an animated toy.. and I'm not prepared to EVER take the chance.

SemperIdem · 03/06/2023 23:26

FirstFallopians · 03/06/2023 22:26

Would also love to hear people’s thoughts on this.

Is this the consequence of poorly bred, badly socialised lock-down puppies and 2 years later we’re seeing the impacts of this now they’ve reached adulthood? Or something else?

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That’s exactly what it is.

It wasn’t just the poodle cross breeds in all their variations that became popular during lockdown.

kitsuneghost · 03/06/2023 23:30

wheresmymojo · 03/06/2023 23:11

I wish people would stop lumping other breeds in with these dogs.... GSDs for example have only been involved in 2 fatalities in 20 years!

The same as Jack Russell Terriers...

I don't really care what breed it is as it rips my face off.
A big nasty dog is a big nasty dog whatever it's technical kennel club breed name is.

Fizbosshoes · 03/06/2023 23:31

Jinglybangly · 03/06/2023 20:09

I would never own a dog I wasn't stronger than when it was fully grown. Why bring something into your home that you couldn't fight off.

Poor woman.

I read recently about a dog that was 11st. I can't understand why that is suitable as a domestic pet...? I'm sure most people would struggle to keep control of it even if it pulled on a lead to chase a squirrel etc

brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 03/06/2023 23:37

Thick people gonna thick.

Uh…get dog. Big dog he look hard. Get big hard dog. Dog maul toddler face. Only bein friendly like.

Tophy124 · 03/06/2023 23:41

I will never understand why people own these dogs. Why take the chance?! I think often of the two children mauled to death in Tennessee because their parents bought two super sized bully breeds known as ‘house lions.’ It’s just horrendous