Another person killed by one of these dogs

[Schooldinners1]

When will people stop getting these dogs?

There have been so many stories of it going horribly wrong. I don’t know what people are thinking! Especially with vulnerable people in the property like kids and elderly people.

There are hundreds of dogs out there! Why choose to get these dogs that have a history of being unstable.

Its awful!

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How many more people have to die before the government address this issue and take steps to ban these dogs?

Are they hoping to maintain the support of their gormless red wall voters by letting these types continue their behaviour? We all know what type of people keep these damn things.

Of course it’s the breed. They were specifically bred to be aggressive. You can’t nurture that out of them any more than you can a tiger, a shark or a crocodile.

I expect the types who usually own these are idiot tories or kippers.

Well whoever they are they appear to be immune to government intervention which is very strange.

Attacks are becoming an almost weekly occurrence now.

If you own one and it attacks/kills someone.....it should carry the same sentence as manslaughter.

The news is saying that this dog has been placed in secure kennels. I wonder why it has not been euthanised immediately - imagine the poor kennel staff having to deal with it (and the law suit if it bit someone else). Seems an unnecessary additional risk.

If you own what? This dog breed is, as yet, unknown. It’s a banned breed so not an American bulldog.

I think the dog owner should be held accountable. Aggressive dogs need experienced dog owners and a lot of training.

Would also love to hear people’s thoughts on this.

Is this the consequence of poorly bred, badly socialised lock-down puppies and 2 years later we’re seeing the impacts of this now they’ve reached adulthood? Or something else?

I’ve really noticed a trend where I live of dogs being left “intact”. That’s surely just because they want their dogs to grow and big as possible?

The bloody reaction there is when a dog is euthanised after attacking 🙄 my social media fills up with “oh the poor dog” “kill the owner not the dog” “police are scum for killing the dog” FFS no wonder they don’t want to euthanise.

Are you in Brazil @Filamumof9 ? If so the cultures around dogs are different and I can understand you having a pack for protection of your assets, livelihood and lives.

No, I do not live in Brazil, but in the Caribbean. Think we have a similar culture here in comparison to Brazil as it is heavily influenced by South America.

Because the dog is evidence.

Kill the dog and you destroy a lot of the evidence, some of which will be in the dogs behaviour. Experienced behaviourists for example, Kendal Shepherd, Jim Crosby etc, can determine a lot (for example was this behaviour triggered by prior training, pain, is this typical of the dog and thus the owner will have known about it or was it a one off the owner could not have predicted).

Most likely however, they will just be holding it to measure to see if it fits the pitbull type or any of the other types, so they can see if they're charging the owner with owning an illegal breed.

Scientific studies are now showing that leaving male dogs intact positively benefits the dogs health and wellbeing.

Nothing to do with wanting a dog to grow big. In fact the opposite is the case. Male dogs neutered too young grow far too tall and spindly for their skeletal structure as the onset of puberty slows down growth of the skeleton.

Re dogs being left "intact", I have noticed this too, or at least that it is getting done later. I am no expert, but from what I have been told by some fellow dog owners, there is some conflicting advice out there about the "right" time to castrate.

There are certain breed characteristics that will out. But.... It is also down to socialisation and handling too. This dog was kept in the garden and rarely walked. Red flags all over the shop.

Leaving dogs entire doesn't actually make them grow taller.

In fact neutering them pre-puberty makes them grow taller, though narrower. Leaving dogs entire may result in them being heavier muscled than if neutered (ie, carrying the muscle and build they genetically were programmed to have), but not taller, as the growth plates in the limbs close at the correct time in the entire dog.

Neutered dogs growth plates close later and depending on when they are neutered, this can cause a really tall dog with twisted limbs, increasing the risk of pain from joints, and ligament damage.

Early neutering is more likely to cause pain related and behaviour problems, than leaving dogs entire.

@SistersNotCisters

It's not the Pitbulls themselves as a breed who are dangerous, but more often than not, it's the type of people who are keeping and breeding these "illegal" breeds. For example, Labradors owned and raised by these types of people would be just as dangerous if Labs had the banned status.

This is not true.

Due to their jaw strength and muscle mass they are more dangerous in comparison to, for example, even an incredibly vicious and aggressive lab.

It is their physiological make up that makes them inherently more dangerous because if they do attack, they are far more likely to seriously injure, maim or kill than breeds with less jaw strength and less muscle mass.

People like to do the 'sausage dogs are more likely to bite' thing and even if it's true that smaller breeds are more likely to bite, they are much, much less likely to maim or kill.

@ToBeOrNotToBee yes, this is what i was getting at re my comments on leaving dogs intact. These days there is more info available to owners about the right time to do it or whether to do it at all, so many people will leave it, at least for a while.

Not us, celebrated our boy's first birthday by lobbing his balls off, but we had sound reasons for that.

I meet a young lad with an XL bully most mornings, he's started walking the same route as me as it's well off the beaten track (i've got a very nervy spaniel). In fairness, he's polite, always says hello and keeps a tight hold of the dog whenever I need to pass him, but the bloody thing terrifies me and my 2 dogs get very stressed around it which really doesn't help.

I saw him today with 3 very young kids, all under 6 - and it made me want to cry. Just why would you even risk having that in the same house. We don't live in a ghetto, it's a quiet rural village where the only drama that ever happens is when the postman is late. There is no need for that dog whatsoever other than Dad's ego.

I would imagine its carcass and the results of its attack would be quite evidence enough, without subjecting anyone else to dealing with it in the inevitability heightened state that such an attack will have caused.

It’s awful of course but not unexpected.

But it was a banned breed and there are only certain types of idiots who buy dogs because they’re a banned breed.

I have a massive bull mastiff X American bulldog x god knows what else and I have absolutely no issues with any breed but we definitely need tighter rules and restrictions.

I don’t believe in banning specific breeds because

1. we’d have to ban multiple breeds - right now it’s bull breeds but in the past the status dogs have been Rottweilers, Dobermans, akitas, German Shepard’s etc. And banning the breed makes them more ‘cool’.
2. because crap owners buy all sorts of dogs and collies and huskies are both known to be very aggressive if not raised correctly but because they’re not a status dog then they won’t get banned but there’ll still be injuries and deaths from out of control dogs.

A pet should be a privilege, not a right.
Everyone should be required to get a license for a dog and prove you can take care of it.
This will help get rid of puppy farms and reduce the strain on rescue centres too.

My boy is 5, he's still got his nuts.

I've had people approach me in the street telling me I qualify for neutering vouchers, assuming that I'm on benefits or something because I have a staffordshire bull terrier 🙄

He's intact because he's actually quite nervy and needs that testerone for confidence.

I used a superlorin implant to temporarily neuter him and see if it would affect him and he became scared of his own shadow and so unpredictable around other dogs.

Whilst the implant is no longer active, the reactivity has stayed, wish I never done it now.

Whereas my bitch was spayed 3 days at the age of 2 having had 3 seasons.

I think they’re intact to potentially breed from too

Because that's the due process of the law.

The dog needs to be assessed to make sure it is indeed a banned breed, and for that the dog needs to be alive.

Also, if the owners are found not guilty, the are entitled to have the dog back, can't do that if a dog is dead. I can't see how that will be the case here, but say in a large group of dogs, only one attacked but all were seized, you wouldn't put all the dogs down purely for that reason.

It was kept in the back garden and whenever I saw it being walked which was not very often because he was always busy at work in the building industry

Poor woman. Poor Dog. The above says it all. Owners fault. Big dog, tiny house . No exercise. Disaster waiting to happen.