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not to share my table at outdoor cafe

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ShirleyEyeRosebud · 29/05/2023 10:26

Went to my favourite cafe with my lovely dog for a relaxing Sunday morning brunch fry up.
All the tables were occupied, so we stood feeling a bit self-conscious waiting for about 20 minutes for a table to become free. In the meantime, a kind couple did ask if I wanted to share their table, but I didn’t want to disturb their relaxing morning so I said thanks for the offer but it’s ok.
So, eventually a table became free so I left my bag there to reserve it and went inside the cafe with the hound to order. When I was queuing up to order a woman asked if I had finished with my table so I said no I have just arrived. She then said are there many of you (obviously not) or can we share your table?
I said Sorry I have been waiting for a table and I would rather have it to myself.

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SliceOfCakeCupOfTea · 29/05/2023 11:17

mainsfed · 29/05/2023 11:05

As far as the restaurant is concerned, it is OP’s private place whilst she is sitting there. She is a paying customer and deserves just as much respect as groups.

It absolutely is not OPs private place and no cafe or restaurant would see it that way.

I take it from this post that you've never worked in hospitality.
Yes every customer deserves respect, but it's disrespectful of OP to deny 5 people a seat.
You are not entitled to quiet, private enjoyment of a public space. If more people thought this way, the cafe would be out of business.

In many places OP would have been told to share the table.

SquirrelFan · 29/05/2023 11:17

Nope, unless person was frail /elderly /disabled, I would not feel obliged to share my hard-earned table! Don't like hanging out with strangers, and there's no guarantee she wouldn't be chatty/bring four rowdy toddlers and their families over/sit between me and the view.

NotQuiteHere · 29/05/2023 11:18

That woman might not have asked you at all. The seats are there for the customers, you are nothing special. If you don't want to share tables, choose some other time to go to a coffee shop, that is what I do.

Irritateandunreasonable · 29/05/2023 11:18

CC4712 · 29/05/2023 10:35

so I felt slightly pleased with myself for being assertive for once.

You were bloody rude- not assertive!

So 1 human and 1 dog (presumably sitting in the ground) needed to take up the space of a 6 seater table??? YABVVVVU CF!

Who hurt you?

Nanny0gg · 29/05/2023 11:18

ShirleyEyeRosebud · 29/05/2023 10:33

Oh dear, seems that I was being a bit unreasonable.
Usually I would put others above myself so I felt slightly pleased with myself for being assertive for once. But I did feel uncomfortable at the same time.

You could potentially have lost the owner 5 orders.

Sorry. You were very, very U

Table for 2 ok, any more - no.

SliceOfCakeCupOfTea · 29/05/2023 11:19

SquirrelFan · 29/05/2023 11:17

Nope, unless person was frail /elderly /disabled, I would not feel obliged to share my hard-earned table! Don't like hanging out with strangers, and there's no guarantee she wouldn't be chatty/bring four rowdy toddlers and their families over/sit between me and the view.

Hard-earned?

user1497207191 · 29/05/2023 11:19

@mainsfed

If the cafe only has picnic benches, what are single patrons supposed to do?

Share with other people, of course!

user1477391263 · 29/05/2023 11:19

I think you were a bit of a dick, frankly. It’s hard on cafes when people waste space like this. And your dog is also taking up space without, I assume, ordering anything.

Nanny0gg · 29/05/2023 11:19

SquirrelFan · 29/05/2023 11:17

Nope, unless person was frail /elderly /disabled, I would not feel obliged to share my hard-earned table! Don't like hanging out with strangers, and there's no guarantee she wouldn't be chatty/bring four rowdy toddlers and their families over/sit between me and the view.

And if they'd just sat there without asking? (Rude, but possible)

EbonyRaven · 29/05/2023 11:20

@ShirleyEyeRosebud

Of course YABU. On what planet is it OK to expect to keep a table for 6 to yourself? I would have just sat down anyway if I were them. You didn't own/don't own the table! Incredibly precious entitled behaviour!

I go for coffees and mcflurries on my own in Maccies and Costa 2 or 3 times a month, and it's often busy, and I share the table I am on around 25% of the time I go. I could not imagine occupying a table for 4 or 6 on my own. Whilst others are standing up eating, or being forced to eat out in their car!

Weird, that some 45% of people think that YANBU. Bet these are all the type who have a seat for their bag on a bus or train, and act all disgruntled and pissy when someone has the audacity to want to use the seat for a human being. Shock

@ShirleyEyeRosebud

This is my first AIBU and I am amazed that the vitriol being directed at me.

@HoldingTheDoor

But you've clearly decided from the start that you were entirely reasonable so why bother asking?

This. ^ You have asked AIBU @ShirleyEyeRosebud , many people have said YES you are, and you are all butthurt and upset because people are quite rightly calling you out on how ludicrous it is for you to expect to have a table for SIX to yourself! You, AND the 45% of others cannot possibly be serious?!

Larner · 29/05/2023 11:20

Yes OP. Next time you want to go to a cafe take a day's annual leave on a wet February Tuesday and sit at a goddamn soggy picnic bench eating a rainsoaked panini. With your little dog too!

notacooldad · 29/05/2023 11:20

Remember MN is a place where many people don’t do anything alone, whether that’s a meal out or the cinema or shopping. They are looking at this through the prism of their own inadequacies.
Thats false though. There are numerous posts about people being worried about going out alone whether it is to a gig, holiday, gym, cinema etc and loads of people come on, including me, encouraging them to do so and sharing their positive experiences about solo outings.

ShirleyEyeRosebud · 29/05/2023 11:20

Kitcaterpillar · 29/05/2023 11:16

To be fair the OP, it's one of those threads where people get so ridiculously overheated and outraged over a minor incident that you can't blame them for saying 'I actually think I'm quite a nice person and everything is fine'.

Thank you!

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peachgreen · 29/05/2023 11:21

I’d be interested to see the reverse of this thread – I suspect most posters would have said that the person sitting alone was under no obligation to share their table etc etc!

Personally, I would absolutely have said yes, it wouldn’t have bothered me in the slightest to share and as someone who eats out alone quite often I have had this happen to me a lot – but I still don’t think you were being unreasonable OP. Would it have been kind to share the table? Yes, of course. But was it massively unreasonable not to? No, not really. They had to wait a bit longer. No big deal.

notacooldad · 29/05/2023 11:22

Yes OP. Next time you want to go to a cafe take a day's annual leave on a wet February Tuesday and sit at a goddamn soggy picnic bench eating a rainsoaked panini. With your little dog too!
yeah, let’s go to silly extremes!

AverageJoan · 29/05/2023 11:22

I think YABU if there was only two of them and you were taking up a table which could seat 6 on your own. They could've sat on the other end and not bothered you. Plus the business it could've lost the cafe. But as others have said, the point is moot because despite asking you don't think you have been unreasonable at all.

girlfriend44 · 29/05/2023 11:23

Yes you were miserable, share and talk to others. You may have enjoyed yourself.

EmeraldFox · 29/05/2023 11:23

If it was going to be two or three other people, like this, then yabvu.

not to share my table at outdoor cafe
Nanny0gg · 29/05/2023 11:23

ShirleyEyeRosebud · 29/05/2023 10:47

Yes, I would have preferred not to eat there at all rather than to share my table. I think most people are looking at it from their perspective of wanting a table when they are with a group of friends/family rather than of a single person out on their own.

I often go out on my own as I enjoy eating whilst reading my book in (relative) peace.

I would not have expected a table of that size to myself if it was busy

HRTQueen · 29/05/2023 11:23

Of course it was selfish

most would prefer to not share a table with strangers but it’s it’s that important to you then go and sit alone in the park or stay home

Larner · 29/05/2023 11:24

yeah, let’s go to silly extremes!

An exhortation that becomes more redundant with every passing minute.

Aeth · 29/05/2023 11:24

HoldingTheDoor · 29/05/2023 11:13

You don't realise that "excuses" are the effects of the diagnosis? It's great for those who don't have any issues which affect them socially, or if they can grin and bear it, but it's physically uncomfortable for some people and that's valid too. OP wasn't keeping a hospital ward to herself, she politely said she'd rather sit alone in a cafe.

I have autism, dyspraxia and mental health issues thank you. I'm all in favour of exemptions and accomodations when necessary but feeling uncomfortable is just part of life with autism/social anxiety/whatever. There are many aspects of being in public that make me very uncomfortable but I still don't get to act as though it's my own private personal space.

Then why do you find it okay to belittle other people's issues? OP didn't scream at them to leave, she politely said she'd like to sit alone, they left her alone... I'm not going to resign myself to a life of discomfort because of my autism, GAD or any of the others because people think I should just accept it as part of life. OP would have been wrong to be aggressive and attempt to stop them if they sat down anyway, but I'm glad she advocated for herself.

ShirleyEyeRosebud · 29/05/2023 11:25

Larner · 29/05/2023 11:20

Yes OP. Next time you want to go to a cafe take a day's annual leave on a wet February Tuesday and sit at a goddamn soggy picnic bench eating a rainsoaked panini. With your little dog too!

Yes, how very dare I expect to inhabit the planet and inconvenience all the families and friends who are more entitled to use my table!

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SmartHome · 29/05/2023 11:25

I hate being sharing tables and hate it when people get too close etc but, honestly, a picnic table with 3 on one side 3 on the other? There was definitely room for you to sit at one end and them the other across from each other without it being awkward for you and I would fully have expected that to happen.

ShirleyEyeRosebud · 29/05/2023 11:26

girlfriend44 · 29/05/2023 11:23

Yes you were miserable, share and talk to others. You may have enjoyed yourself.

Rude!

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