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Parent & Child -v- Disabled Parking Bays?

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Lambstails · 24/05/2023 15:31

Hello,

Firstly, I feel the need to apologise for posting on here, but I'm genuinely interested in the view of any parents or other guardians of children who use dedicated parent and child spaces. The reason for my apology being that I am not, and have never unfortunately been a parent myself - this was not a lifestyle choice.

I am however, registered disabled and in receipt of the higher mobility rate of PIP which automatically entitles me to use a blue badge. The nature of my condition means that some (very few) days I am quite capable of parking in a 'normal' bay if there is one available relatively close to where I need to be, but most days I HAVE to use a wider bay to get myself in and out of my car, together with my wheeled walker. On days where I can cope ok with just a walking stick, and where there's a regular space available close enough, I steer clear of the blue badge bays, preferring to leave them for people who have no option but to use them. I also would like to add (as it's relevant further down) that my 85 year old Mother is also registered disabled (we have the same congenital spinal condition). My Mum is also sadly now in palliative care for terminal cancer and she cannot walk more than about 10 metres, so is a wheelchair user. She is rarely well enough to leave the house, but on hers and mine 'better' days, I do try and get her out for an hour or so.

A month or so ago, I was able to take Mum out and parked at a local retail park where the ratio of blue badge spaces to parent and child spaces is about 8/15 in the P&C space's favour (I find this bewildering, to be honest). There were no BB spaces free, but plenty of P&C bays were unused. I therefore parked in one and ensured my blue badge was displayed. Fast forward to when we returned to my car, having pushed Mum around the shop for 5 minutes or so, got her out of her wheelchair, into the car and the wheelchair in the boot, I was about on my knees myself. I cannot describe how difficult this is sometimes, for both of us. Anyway, before I could get myself in the car, a furious woman came over to me and lambasted me for parking in a P&C space. She was also parked in one next to me (with her suspiciously tall teenage children in the back). I tried to explain that there were no blue badge spaces free at the time we parked but she called me all sorts of unrepeatable names and "a lazy b*tch" to boot. I pointed out that she and her 'children' looked quite capable of walking, she didn't have a pushchair or pram and that my Mum cannot walk, which she clearly could see with the difficulty getting her into the car, but she was having none of it. I decided to then ignore her and just leave, she was the sort of person there was going to be no reasoning with and being yelled and sworn out in a public car park isn't really for me.

I put this out of my mind and today went to the car park to pick up some items for Mum from Boots. Once again, there were no BB spaces free and around a dozen P&C spaces unoccupied. Today is a 'bad' day - I am in a lot of pain and walking more than a few steps at a time is difficult and I needed my walker. So I reluctantly parked in a P&C space, knowing that I would be little more than 5 minutes to pick up some medication. And yes, once again when I returned to my car, there was a young Mum waiting for me by her car (parked next to me). And yes, once again I received a berating. This lady was a different model to the previous angry woman - she politely asked me if I was aware I had parked in a P&C space - I was completely honest and said yes, hence why I had displayed my blue badge. Maybe I should have lied and pleaded ignorance, as at this point she changed - having ascertained I had knowingly parked here, she promptly called me selfish and said she was off to find a security officer to report me and my selfishness. The source of her fury seemed to be that she said she wouldn't dream of parking in a BB bay if all the P&C spaces were full. I pointed out that she has a choice whether to walk a little further or not, I usually don't. I suggested she maybe should have considered this before deciding whether to have children, if it was to become so important to her, she said it's nothing to do with not wanting to walk, and everything to do with the safety of parents and their children, apparently it isn't safe for a Mother to be pushing a young baby in a pram around a busy car park. The way my legs operate most days, I wouldn't be particularly safe walking on bubble wrap!

I am more distressed, rattled and upset about these two incidents than I probably should be. With my own middle age, the impending mortality of both my parents, together with both my nieces recently having had their first babies, perhaps my own child-free status is playing on my mind at the moment, although I don't think I am the 'woe is me' type. I am not an unhappy, bitter old bag (honestly!) - I've got a fantastic husband, and a great job; I've had a lot in my life to be so very thankful for. Children of our own would have been the icing on the cake, but it's never been the be-all and end-all. On both occasions, whilst being sweetly polite to these women, more than anything I wanted to scream at them to be damn thankful for what they've got and just go and enjoy it. Having a blue badge is not a choice for me, to have had children would have been - that's how I see the difference.

I really would like to get some opinions on this emotive subject, more to try and understand the perspective of these two women. I have no idea if P&C spaces are 'legal' spaces as are BB bays, but even if they are, if there are dozens of them available and not being used, what is the real harm of a BB holder using one? I'm not convinced that P&C spaces aren't actually a marketing ploy conjured up by the retailers, as typically these spaces now tend to be nearer shops' entrances than actual BB ones!

I'm interested in all opinions, particularly those that can put a different spin on this and make me see it from the point of view of these two women. One of my 'new Mum' nieces has joined in the attack on me - she too believes that I have acted selfishly and reiterated how difficult it is to get baby/child seats out of a car without sufficient space around them. I do understand that. But thinking about it, if the situation was reversed and BB spaces were available where P&C ones weren't, I doubt very much I would begrudge a parent or guardian parking in one if it was obvious they needed to!

(I've just realised how long this post is, apologies if you made it this far down and are still with me 😂)

Thanks,

Beatrix x

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ChrisPPancake · 24/05/2023 19:15

What I don't get though @Lambstails is why these 2 needed to speak to you at all about this, much less have a go. If I'm understanding correctly they were actually able to park in vacant P&C spaces so you haven't caused any difficulty to them at all.

People are strange.

IAmAnIdiot123 · 24/05/2023 19:23

It's bollocks that most people use them for the space and not the location to the shop. Our local mega tesco has the p&c spaces at the back with a safe walkway going direct from the spaces to the shop. They are hardly ever used. There will obviously be exceptions to the rule but on the whole, they remain empty.

The spaces which are always full are the ones right next to the shop entrance 🤣 I have seen many a parent squeeze in and out of these spaces, not too hard when they dont have to walk that extra 500m. Probably the same ones who moaned at you OP.

Yanbu, BB trumps p&c anyway! Oh and I am a parent to two children with no disabilities.

GuitarsUnderTheStars · 24/05/2023 19:25

It’s very unfortunate that you would have 2 such incidents involving parents, especially when it seems they already had a space. Quite shocking and unbelievable really.

I’ve only ever known blue badge holders challenging others in a disabled parking space and ending up looking like a dick, as they have also been blue badge holders.

Trippin · 24/05/2023 19:35

You have every right to park in the P&C bay if the BB bays are full.

Personally I think the P&C bays should be further away from the shops but with a safe walk way. That way most people won't want them unless really necessary.

In our local supermarket the P&C bays seem to be for the Amazon delivery vans 🤣.

Minimalme · 24/05/2023 19:43

DS has a blue badge and I use whichever space is nearest the shop we are going into, BB or PC.

You have been unlucky - it's not you, it's them.

I would just say you don't engage in aggressive confrontation and suggest they call 111 to discuss the matter.

MrFlobby · 24/05/2023 19:49

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Marths · 24/05/2023 19:51

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Thankfully the law disagrees with you.

SouthCountryGirl · 24/05/2023 19:52

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Where does the OP park if the BB spaces are full? You can't exactly get a wheelchair out when parked in a standard bay

MrFlobby · 24/05/2023 19:52

@Marths so 🤷🏼‍♀️ that’s not going to stop people giving op a mouthful is it?! If that’s what she’s trying to avoid.

MrFlobby · 24/05/2023 19:55

@SouthCountryGirl i don’t think I’ve ever been to a car park where all disabled bags are occupied. Ever.

thekindlyone · 24/05/2023 19:59

MrFlobby · 24/05/2023 19:55

@SouthCountryGirl i don’t think I’ve ever been to a car park where all disabled bags are occupied. Ever.

Well OP has.

And you seem to think that by parking in a spot she is legally entitled to park in she somehow deserves verbal abuse.

SouthCountryGirl · 24/05/2023 20:00

thekindlyone · 24/05/2023 19:59

Well OP has.

And you seem to think that by parking in a spot she is legally entitled to park in she somehow deserves verbal abuse.

I have too. We parked in the p&c spaces instead

MrFlobby · 24/05/2023 20:04

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thekindlyone · 24/05/2023 20:05

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So disabled people should just expect abuse and you're perfectly okay with that. Got it.

Sirzy · 24/05/2023 20:08

It seems it’s only people who aren’t blue badge holders who see all of these empty spaces everywhere!

reality is most places put in the absolute minimum provision for people with disabilities because they do it because they have to rather than wanting to actually help

MrFlobby · 24/05/2023 20:12

@thekindlyone yes, exactly! Well done 👏🏻

Iceicebabytoocold · 24/05/2023 20:14

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Thankfully you are in the minority.

OP - very sad that you have encounter such ignorance on 2 occasions. Hopefully this thread will give you some comfort and convince you we were well within your right to park where you did.

thekindlyone · 24/05/2023 20:14

MrFlobby · 24/05/2023 20:12

@thekindlyone yes, exactly! Well done 👏🏻

Well at least you admit to your blatant ableism, not many do that.

Cocolatte24 · 24/05/2023 20:18

Wenfy · 24/05/2023 15:40

P&C spaces are curtesy spaces only. Anyone can use them and most supermarkets advised disabled people with / without BB to use them. If I were you I would make a complaint to the shop, say the last two times you were harassed by people for using P&C spaces and could someone please put some verbiage up to clarify who should / shouldn’t be using them. When I complained similarly to our local waitrose the manager seemingly got permission, overnight, to move all the P&C spaces to the very back of the carpark. And instantly it seemed the lazy bitches who couldn’t carry their pfps without a p&c space suddenly managed just fine in a normal one lol. Our local costco only has no P&C spaces now - they said priority is and will always be disabled spacesZ

@wenfy parent and child pales are not courtesy parks and the only people using them should be parents with children in car seats.. not parents with teens and most definitely not people w/o children.

the space isn’t to make it easier to walk through a car park, it’s to provide enough room to open the door and access the child seat and set up the pram / baby carrier safely and not in the road.

nobody encourages people to use the spaces without children - you’re talking out of your arse. All Sainsburys near me have signs warning of an £85 misuse fine; they check for car seats and rightly so

Cocolatte24 · 24/05/2023 20:18

*parks

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Treesoutsidemywindow · 24/05/2023 20:20

Quite honestly OP, I am a BB holder, and if I had been in your shoes I'd have given them what for! This sort of entitled behaviour is appalling, and from past experience, being as aggressive as they are seems to be the only thing that made them listen.

However, it's not only young parents who have this entitled behaviour when it comes to blue badge holders, as on more than one occasion when I've just parked my car in a disabled spot, I've been approached by an older person, waving their blue badge at me, or pointing at the signs saying disabled parking, clearly thinking I wasn't entitled to use the space, simply because I was younger than them. They then went off muttering after I showed them my own blue badge, clearly pissed off with me, having to their mind, got one over on them. I will always use a P&C space if there are none of the BB ones left, and woe betide anyone who challenges me about it! Life is hard enough for the disabled, without idiots making things even worse.

Cocolatte24 · 24/05/2023 20:20

Also @Wenfy Costco doesn’t need p&c parking as the space are ALL extra large with room for loading and unloading… of goods, which is no different to young children

thekindlyone · 24/05/2023 20:26

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Do wouldn't "confront" her? Wouldn't call a complete stranger a lazy bitch for parking in a space she's perfectly entitled to park in? Well aren't you fucking generous.

MrFlobby · 24/05/2023 20:33

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