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Parent & Child -v- Disabled Parking Bays?

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Lambstails · 24/05/2023 15:31

Hello,

Firstly, I feel the need to apologise for posting on here, but I'm genuinely interested in the view of any parents or other guardians of children who use dedicated parent and child spaces. The reason for my apology being that I am not, and have never unfortunately been a parent myself - this was not a lifestyle choice.

I am however, registered disabled and in receipt of the higher mobility rate of PIP which automatically entitles me to use a blue badge. The nature of my condition means that some (very few) days I am quite capable of parking in a 'normal' bay if there is one available relatively close to where I need to be, but most days I HAVE to use a wider bay to get myself in and out of my car, together with my wheeled walker. On days where I can cope ok with just a walking stick, and where there's a regular space available close enough, I steer clear of the blue badge bays, preferring to leave them for people who have no option but to use them. I also would like to add (as it's relevant further down) that my 85 year old Mother is also registered disabled (we have the same congenital spinal condition). My Mum is also sadly now in palliative care for terminal cancer and she cannot walk more than about 10 metres, so is a wheelchair user. She is rarely well enough to leave the house, but on hers and mine 'better' days, I do try and get her out for an hour or so.

A month or so ago, I was able to take Mum out and parked at a local retail park where the ratio of blue badge spaces to parent and child spaces is about 8/15 in the P&C space's favour (I find this bewildering, to be honest). There were no BB spaces free, but plenty of P&C bays were unused. I therefore parked in one and ensured my blue badge was displayed. Fast forward to when we returned to my car, having pushed Mum around the shop for 5 minutes or so, got her out of her wheelchair, into the car and the wheelchair in the boot, I was about on my knees myself. I cannot describe how difficult this is sometimes, for both of us. Anyway, before I could get myself in the car, a furious woman came over to me and lambasted me for parking in a P&C space. She was also parked in one next to me (with her suspiciously tall teenage children in the back). I tried to explain that there were no blue badge spaces free at the time we parked but she called me all sorts of unrepeatable names and "a lazy b*tch" to boot. I pointed out that she and her 'children' looked quite capable of walking, she didn't have a pushchair or pram and that my Mum cannot walk, which she clearly could see with the difficulty getting her into the car, but she was having none of it. I decided to then ignore her and just leave, she was the sort of person there was going to be no reasoning with and being yelled and sworn out in a public car park isn't really for me.

I put this out of my mind and today went to the car park to pick up some items for Mum from Boots. Once again, there were no BB spaces free and around a dozen P&C spaces unoccupied. Today is a 'bad' day - I am in a lot of pain and walking more than a few steps at a time is difficult and I needed my walker. So I reluctantly parked in a P&C space, knowing that I would be little more than 5 minutes to pick up some medication. And yes, once again when I returned to my car, there was a young Mum waiting for me by her car (parked next to me). And yes, once again I received a berating. This lady was a different model to the previous angry woman - she politely asked me if I was aware I had parked in a P&C space - I was completely honest and said yes, hence why I had displayed my blue badge. Maybe I should have lied and pleaded ignorance, as at this point she changed - having ascertained I had knowingly parked here, she promptly called me selfish and said she was off to find a security officer to report me and my selfishness. The source of her fury seemed to be that she said she wouldn't dream of parking in a BB bay if all the P&C spaces were full. I pointed out that she has a choice whether to walk a little further or not, I usually don't. I suggested she maybe should have considered this before deciding whether to have children, if it was to become so important to her, she said it's nothing to do with not wanting to walk, and everything to do with the safety of parents and their children, apparently it isn't safe for a Mother to be pushing a young baby in a pram around a busy car park. The way my legs operate most days, I wouldn't be particularly safe walking on bubble wrap!

I am more distressed, rattled and upset about these two incidents than I probably should be. With my own middle age, the impending mortality of both my parents, together with both my nieces recently having had their first babies, perhaps my own child-free status is playing on my mind at the moment, although I don't think I am the 'woe is me' type. I am not an unhappy, bitter old bag (honestly!) - I've got a fantastic husband, and a great job; I've had a lot in my life to be so very thankful for. Children of our own would have been the icing on the cake, but it's never been the be-all and end-all. On both occasions, whilst being sweetly polite to these women, more than anything I wanted to scream at them to be damn thankful for what they've got and just go and enjoy it. Having a blue badge is not a choice for me, to have had children would have been - that's how I see the difference.

I really would like to get some opinions on this emotive subject, more to try and understand the perspective of these two women. I have no idea if P&C spaces are 'legal' spaces as are BB bays, but even if they are, if there are dozens of them available and not being used, what is the real harm of a BB holder using one? I'm not convinced that P&C spaces aren't actually a marketing ploy conjured up by the retailers, as typically these spaces now tend to be nearer shops' entrances than actual BB ones!

I'm interested in all opinions, particularly those that can put a different spin on this and make me see it from the point of view of these two women. One of my 'new Mum' nieces has joined in the attack on me - she too believes that I have acted selfishly and reiterated how difficult it is to get baby/child seats out of a car without sufficient space around them. I do understand that. But thinking about it, if the situation was reversed and BB spaces were available where P&C ones weren't, I doubt very much I would begrudge a parent or guardian parking in one if it was obvious they needed to!

(I've just realised how long this post is, apologies if you made it this far down and are still with me 😂)

Thanks,

Beatrix x

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MrFlobby · 24/05/2023 20:33

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Wildlyboring · 24/05/2023 20:38

Nah you were right to do what you did OP and the two people confronting you were incredibly rude.

I have had similar crappy experiences from rude, presumptuous drivers, my daughter has a blue badge and I've had a number of people (much older) make reference to us not needing the space and her being lazy. Threshold for a BB in our authority (not sure if it's across the board or whatever) is high rate DLA which we are in receipt of for her. I had an elderly woman shout at me outside of our GP practice for parking in a disabled space, she then refused to move from behind my car for me to leave despite me showing her the badge and the side with my child's photo on it (child who was clearly sat behind me). It was incredibly stressful particularly as we had just been referred via GP straight into paediatrics.

If there is no suitable BB parking space and there is a P&C space that is more accessible to you then use that. The width of spaces was my main issue when my daughter was little and if there wasn't a P&C space I'd park further back in a quieter part.

thekindlyone · 24/05/2023 20:40

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You are the one justifying verbal abuse towards disabled people here, not me.

MrFlobby · 24/05/2023 20:45

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JustBeKindItsEasy · 24/05/2023 20:47

Cocolatte24 · 24/05/2023 20:18

@wenfy parent and child pales are not courtesy parks and the only people using them should be parents with children in car seats.. not parents with teens and most definitely not people w/o children.

the space isn’t to make it easier to walk through a car park, it’s to provide enough room to open the door and access the child seat and set up the pram / baby carrier safely and not in the road.

nobody encourages people to use the spaces without children - you’re talking out of your arse. All Sainsburys near me have signs warning of an £85 misuse fine; they check for car seats and rightly so

Companies are not required in law to provide P&C spaces. They are required to provide disabled parking bays, in law.
Therefore, they are curtesy spaces that Sainsburies have decided to include.
As the car park is private they can put up signs to fine people if spaces are misused. ie as you have said for people who park in the P&C spaces that shouldn’t.
We all know, however, that the fines are not enforceable if you go to court.

ZZpop · 24/05/2023 20:49

With a blue badge you can park in which ever space best suits your needs. We do.

whynotwhatknot · 24/05/2023 20:52

My nearest tesco extra has about ten disabled spaces always full

whynotwhatknot · 24/05/2023 20:54

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because disabled spaces are there by law so yes its is a courtesy space for p and c no laws insiting they exist

Catchasingmewithspiders · 24/05/2023 20:57

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Given only 6% of people in the UK received disability benefits I'm not sure your 2 out of 3 people is really from a big sample size.

Or you must be really nosy about what benefits various people you know are on and all the intricate details of their medical health. You should farm yourself out to the DWP given you apparently know so much more than any of their medical staff!

MrFlobby · 24/05/2023 20:58

@whynotwhatknot and?

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MrFlobby · 24/05/2023 21:03

@Catchasingmewithspiders nice googling btw x

JustBeKindItsEasy · 24/05/2023 21:03

Having read some comments here that MNs and OP have encountered parking with no spaces left for disabled parking I was surprised. As near me they are always empty.
So I thought I’d look and see if there has been a change / increase in the number of BBS being issued. See attached image from

Parent & Child -v- Disabled Parking Bays?
IClaudine · 24/05/2023 21:14

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2 out of 3 people I know on disability aren’t even disabled but that’s not for here

How do you know that?

Don't tell me, they boast about it.🙄

People like you make me sick.

Catchasingmewithspiders · 24/05/2023 21:16

MrFlobby · 24/05/2023 21:03

@Catchasingmewithspiders nice googling btw x

First time someone's used me knowing a fact about disabilities as an insult. Says a lot about you though I guess

MrFlobby · 24/05/2023 21:16

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MrFlobby · 24/05/2023 21:17

@Catchasingmewithspiders

How many people are on disability in the uk?
search…

MrFlobby · 24/05/2023 21:18

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thekindlyone · 24/05/2023 21:18

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Get a fucking life.

MrFlobby · 24/05/2023 21:19

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IClaudine · 24/05/2023 21:20

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So, how do you know a) they receive disability benefits and b) they are not disabled?

IClaudine · 24/05/2023 21:21

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Yeah, it is really fucking funny living with a disability. I really hope you don't find that out for yourself one day.

MrFlobby · 24/05/2023 21:21

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Flopsythebunny · 24/05/2023 21:24

SouthCountryGirl · 24/05/2023 17:59

Did we all have such big cars back then?

I had a jaguar xj6 and didn't having a problem parking with 2 under 5 year old.