Job adverts without salary details

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I'm finding these infuriating and it's putting me off even applying for jobs that otherwise look a good fit for me.

It makes me feel that if the company can't be transparent about salary, what kind of organisation are they otherwise?

I don't want to apply for numerous jobs only to find out it would never be financially viable for me to take up an offer.

Is there ever a benefit to potential employees of this type of advert?

Am I missing something and being unreasonable to not even apply?

If you are in a position where you don't need to apply for anything going then don't apply for them. I don't. In fact jobs in my area of work are that numerous that I don't apply unless they do LinkedIn easy apply. I don't want to fill extra forms in, I don't want to be directed to someone elses website, I just want to know what it is, where it is and how much it is and then click on button.

But in some industries/jobs that might not be possible if there are less jobs available.

I have phoned and asked before. In some cases they are literally trying to reduce the number of applicants. I find it ridiculous.

I then name a figure and the reaction says a lot but generally I'd not apply.

I completely agree. It's rude! They wouldn't expect me to write that my skills are competitive, I want to know that the role is worth it and I'm sorry but salary is really important.

Look on Glassdoor for an idea of the current salaries. Can sometimes give an idea if they are going to be in the region you are looking for

It makes me feel that if the company can't be transparent about salary, what kind of organisation are they otherwise?

If you are so keen to know the salary range in advance, have you considered looking for something in the public service, where pay rates are indeed published and transparent.

In private sector, your salary is decided by your negotiation skills. It's in the organisations interest to offer you the lowest salary you will accept, and in your interest to be offered the highest salary package they possibly can offer. It's up to you to navigate a path between this two ranges.

It's that simple

I don’t apply, they want someone cheap!

I always assume they mean min wage or those stupid sales jobs where they make out its uncapped potential in reality they send some poor sod door knocking for 50 thousand miles for a pittance. Avoid.
Just put the fucking salary!!!!!
I haven't needed to apply for a new job for a while but I prefer to use agencies, they do all the hard work for you!!!

Interestingly there are new salary transparency laws which are being passed in the US, meaning employers legally have to state their minimum and maximum salary points. I work for a US-owned company and we're fully expecting Europe to follow suit at some point in the future.

From a recruitment standpoint, not disclosing salaries on adverts usually gives a greater degree of flex when it comes to candidate applications. There's always room for negotiation at the end of the process, so not removing higher-paid candidates from the application pool at the start is always a good thing. Also means we don't get candidates asking for the top of the salary range where their experience doesnt doesn't align - salary ranges are ranges to allow for a range of experience.

That being said, even as a recruiter I think salary transparency is a good thing and I think it should be the way forward.

I suppose I have nothing to lose by trying that!

Thank you, I may do this. All jobs on this company's website have no salary indicated, so it might be an interesting read.

I won’t apply for jobs that don’t list the salary. I work in the private sector at the minute so don’t have that issue but I would hate to have to negotiate a salary and would probably end up being paid less than they would be willing to offer as a result.

Op, you are not being ridiculous/ demanding/unreasonable. I'm finding the same thing when I apply for jobs - only to get a rejection an hour later, out of hours, because I've clearly just put a salary that's too high.

So companies aren't recruiting on the basis of skills and experience, they're just recruiting on the basis that someone can guess the random but secret magic salary number.

I spoke to a friend who is a rec consultant, and apparently it's the new thing - he has even received instructions where companies don't tell him the salary, but he said it's a disaster, because no one knows until the offer comes through whether it's worth accepting.

It's bizarre to not give a range or even an upper limit.

Call the recruiter and ask what the approximate salary is for the job. Say you're potentially interested but you wouldn't leave your current job unless it was financially worthwhile so you'd like to know before you spend time on the application.

My industry very rarely shows salary ranges so I'm used to it. The main reason is that we're trying to stay competitive and don't want to share that information with the market. The second is that the range can be quite big depending on experience.
I don't really mind, when I was more junior I would apply and ask for the range on the first interview (usually with the HR recruiter). Glassdoor is also very useful to get an idea of the industry.
Now that I am more senior it matters less, they tend to ask very quickly what my expectations are.

I agree. I'm actively looking right now and there are two different job titles that match what I do. When salary is listed, I will regularly see it as low as £24k and as high as £90-£100k. Which end of the spectrum are they recruiting for? I NEED TO KNOW!! Often the roles and responsibilities are all the same, very templated and it's impossible to tell.

I've interviewed where they admitted to seeing people from all salary brackets to see how low they could go and still get what they wanted. So frustrating that I wasted a day's annual leave for it. I'm looking for £65k+ and it's really hard.

Its so fucking annoying.
Don't apply.

Yanbu, I need to know the rough salary range in my industry because job titles and descriptions are so opaque.

My role is a "manager", my equivalent in competitor organisations can be senior manager or even director in some places.

If I'm trying to apply for a rung up the career ladder I want an actual director role, not something called director with absolutely zero increase in accountability or salary.

Agree that it is incredibly frustrating. I work in quite a niche field experience-wise, I’m not actively looking but if something of interest comes up I’d like to know if it’s worth me applying for first!

Indeed and Glassdoor both have salary ratings for companies

Rightly or wrongly, experience has taught me if these companies generally do not want to afford someone of my experience and skills.

I’d be tempted to send a copy paste email
to all those employers with a message along the lines of “I’ve seen your job advert, I love the look of the job and your organisation but notice you haven’t advertised a salary range, could you please let me know what this is before I apply”.

if they don’t reply or tell you to f-off nothing lost, but they might indicate that the range is suitable, and they might start to realise that people aren’t applying for jobs for the fun of it and kind of expect to know what they are working for

Ime it's absolutely not that simple, it would daft to assume that I could apply for a job the company was only prepared to offer £25k for and expect to be able to negotiate them up to £60k however good my negotiating skills were

I agree that it's off-putting to see a role with no indication at all of the salary

YANBU to expect to know how to be paid.
its simple and so annoying.

It's annoying OP, I agree. In my experience it's more common to see salary details on adverts in the public sector, than the private sector.

The "no salary on vacancies" position hugely disadvantages both women and those from minority groups, who statistically earn less (hence gender and ethnically pay gaps).

When a salary is stated on a role, it helps to level the playing field for all, by setting a range for the position, rather than basing it solely on the individual who is most proactive about negotiating (white men are, broadly speaking, experts at this).

I've just moved jobs, and may not have accepted the recruiters approach, had the advert not stated at the outset the salary range. If I'd have just seen the responsibilities, I'd have thought it wouldn't pay as much as I was looking for. If they'd have known my previous salary, they likely would have offered less. As it happened, I secured a 20% increase on my last salary on moving, so all good.

I disclose the salary on all the roles I'm recruiting for, which current staff dislike (as they feel it exposes them), and prospective staff react positively to. On balance, I think it's good practice.

tbh, I always assume no salary suggested means "peanuts plus what you can earn in commissions which is not a lot unless you are a talented bullshitter"