Job adverts without salary details

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I'm finding these infuriating and it's putting me off even applying for jobs that otherwise look a good fit for me.

It makes me feel that if the company can't be transparent about salary, what kind of organisation are they otherwise?

I don't want to apply for numerous jobs only to find out it would never be financially viable for me to take up an offer.

Is there ever a benefit to potential employees of this type of advert?

Am I missing something and being unreasonable to not even apply?

I don’t want a “fantastic benefits and culture” package. I want a decent salary. I applied for a COO role recently and they rang me to ask about salary expectations. I said I wouldn’t go for less than £65K, which is less than I get now, but the job sounded interesting, and it was an NGO. The person on the other end of the phone said “We can’t go above £38K.” So it was a big fat no from me.

YANBU.
Recruitment consultant ‘I have this amazing role, here are the details’.
Me, suspicious ‘pay range?’
Recruitment consultant ‘up to £x’
Me ‘that’s what I earned before I qualified 12 years ago. Given my qualifications are on LinkedIn which you are using to message me, what are you thinking?’

Its given me a list of people not to bother talking to.

😂 Imagine being so incredibly privileged that you find a candidate expecting to, you know, work for a decent and respectful salary to be 'money grabbing'. Of course it's only one of many benefits, but no other benefit can pay the bills I'm afraid.

Barbara on reception does not make a material difference to our performance as a business

Where does one start with that? The arrogance and ignorance of it. It reminds me of men who think their wives, the stay at home mothers to their children are lowly menial workers, totally ignoring the fact that it's their drudery and input that enabled their high & mightly husbands to smoothly carry on with their careers.

She doesn't make a difference? Get rid of her then. I'm sure your very important employees will be happy to sort their own post, deliveries, phonecalls and arrange their own diaries.

I won't even consider a job now if they don't at least publish a range of expectation.

Don’t apply. I’ve wasted so much time with employers like that. The way I look at it now is if they don’t want to brag about the salary then I don’t want to work for them. They can find some other sucker.

And I'm highly employable and experienced. I think employers that don't publish salary are just looking for the cheapest labour for the role. And I'd expect any job at my level to have fantastic benefits so that doesn't cut any ice with me.

YANBU

I would never apply for a job that didn't detail the salary. It's unprofessional and makes me think that the pay is shit if they can't be transparent about it.

Don’t bother, they’re obviously trash, time wasting companies. I mean, look how the poster up thread told on themselves-open contempt of employees and wittering drivel about benefits and wanting excellent compensation for selling labour is ‘money grabbing’. Mortified for them 😄
Only apply for decent companies that are proud of how they compensate their workforce.

Ah, I'm.not. desperate to leave current employer so I'll work for anyone if the price is right.

For a COO? Now that is a joke

Agree OP, I wouldn't apply and there really is no acceptable reason for not having salary transparency. To put off money grabbers is absolutely hilarious, I know my worth and benefits of working somewhere goes in tandem with a good rate of pay for my role not in lieu of it.

Surely it's also a massive waste of time for all involved if you get to the stage of negotiating salary and a candidates expectations are completely misaligned with the company's?

Yeah that's why I said I'm lucky, I get its an easy principle to stand by if you aren't in desperate need of another job. But I've also been in your position to I do sympathise!

"Money grabbers" 😂😂😂😂😂 but isn't being paid the difference between a job and a volunteer position so it makes sense to know what the job is offering? And I do hope "Barbara on reception" told this cunt to do one once a recruitment agency educated her about how underpaid she was!!!!

£38k for a COO role?!? No wonder they didn't put it on the job advert, most likely too embarrassed 🤣🤣🤣

I disagree that your salary is decided by your negotiation skills. Many jobs are advertised with a particular salary/hourly rate in mind. Often it is what it is.

I was going to comment similar. I can’t pay my mortgage with “fantastic benefits and culture”.

Every time I've applied for a "no salary" ad - its been NMW rather than the usual £27-35k industry equivalent.

It's no salary for a reason. So they can get you in cheap while believing free tea & coffee is a perk 😂

Maybe we should all start applying to totally unsuitable jobs, saying that our skills are competitive.

I liked @lemonyfox post about transparency. Agree 100%.
There should be at the very least a salary range given on job descriptions.
It's nasty when people doing the same work are paid differently and it causes massive discontent and bad feeling amongst employees. I once worked for a firm where when a colleague found out I was earning a few k more per year than her, she took it out on me instead of going to HR and requesting a raise. Not my problem she accepted a lower offer. All could have been avoided though if they paid fairly from the outset. This is why companies often don't want people discussing their salaries because it reveals vast discrepancies. Fairness and transparency are needed.

Good god, I don't give a FLYING FUCK about benefits and culture

I've worked 33 years and not one benefit has ever been of benefit to me:

Company car - never wanted one
Cycle to work scheme - fuck off
Free tea and coffee - shittest coffee, I went round the corner

Private health care - NEVER used it

It's ALL BOLLOCKS - money is the MOST important thing to me

I go to work to pay my fucking massive mortgage not dick about hoping for a free Friday cunting biscuit 🍪

It's probably the same kind of company where when their current receptionist leaves leaves and they can't get someone else to take the job because its below market salary and other places are offering market rate, because you know its market rate, would probably complain that 'no one wants to work any more' despite unemployment being low.

We provide a fantastic range of benefits, including subsidised gym membership, on site restaurant, 4pm finish on Fridays and complimentary tea, coffee and fruit.

We find that many of our ‘workhorse’ staff like receptionists, admin staff etc really value these along with our friendly culture over an extra few quid down the road.

However, we do need to be able to pay above market rates to attract people into ‘superstar’ roles that make a big difference to the company.

complimentary tea, coffee and fruit

IS NOT A BENEFIT

So you could afford to pay your employees more. You just don't pay the 'workhorse' ones more because you want to spend it on subsidising gym membership etc

And who on earth calls tea and coffee a benefit?!!

Exactly what I thought as I read it.
The most successful and non toxic places I've worked have valued everyone in the workplace for what they bring to the table.
Barbara is the face of your organisation, the first point of contact. If she knows you think she is replaceable and not adding value, do you think she's going to give it her all?
No-one works for "culture" and 'benefits" they don't pay the bills.