Job adverts without salary details

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I'm finding these infuriating and it's putting me off even applying for jobs that otherwise look a good fit for me.

It makes me feel that if the company can't be transparent about salary, what kind of organisation are they otherwise?

I don't want to apply for numerous jobs only to find out it would never be financially viable for me to take up an offer.

Is there ever a benefit to potential employees of this type of advert?

Am I missing something and being unreasonable to not even apply?

I am actively looking for a job right now and the job titles in my industry are highly misleading/inconsistent. I need to see the salary range to know the job level.

Less than 40% of job ads list the salary range and it boils my piss!

And do fuck off with the cycle-to-work scheme as a perk. Pay me well and I will buy the bloody bike myself (should I want one!)

Just realised that I might come across as a little bit angry 😂. I am actually a very level-headed and calm person normally. Just really fed up!

Totally justified anger

That is where I have been going wrong. My last job after I accepted it and was getting excited etc a waiting to start. Also waiting for the moment HR would have that discussion with me regarding salary. Clearly I was so excited about actually getting a job after years at Uni and all that debt
finally feeling like an adult and very proud of myself! The naïveté showing even then.
i signed contracts and handed in all my documents and registration papers and documents needed for my job. Still waiting for the discussion around salary.
Still waiting for the discussions to happen and assumed the HR department was just super busy with new starters etc
When I was asked what point I had been started at and what my salary would be.
I had to just stare blankly and change the subject quickly.
until I received my first salary payment in to my account I actually had no idea what I was getting paid. But as I was paid monthly I had to work all of September and all October before my first payment.
But by the time I realised no conversation from HR would occur and every one who had started around the time I did had already discussed that and knew their salary. I was too embarrassed to confess 😂😂😂

I don't apply for these jobs. Invariably it means the salary is so poor they don't want to highlight it.

"Money grabbers".

People work for money. They don't want your shitty free fruit or other crap you pass off as benefits. What you are doing is disuading people who know their worth - like me - from wasting our time applying.

Was the salary not stated in the contract?

@shadowofadoubt I totally agree with your comment and I am amazed that someone can be so clueless as to say that out loud about their own staff.
For a start anyone with any decent client based experience knows that how a receptionist handles calls and visitors makes a big difference.
I work for a company where the CEO is a groundbreaking leader. He honestly recognises and values everyone's contribution and it shows in how he runs the business. As a result people work hard for him.

Imagine the arrogance of someone who calls other who go to work for the most money they can get, ‘money grabbers’. I suppose you work for claps and high praise and pay your mortgage with your free tea and coffee aye?

@EddieHoweisMYmanager

Your post reminded me of the amazing Kevin Bridges sketch 😂

Tell it like it is lol love it!

No it wasn’t just that is negotiable with experience and qualifications. It was a job where there is a set pay scale. Where you start is what is negotiated.
Unfortunately I didn’t realise that the conversation should have started after being offered the job and before I accepted the contract 😂

@LaurieFairyCake I wish I worked with you, you sound great!

All so true!!!

Can I add 'collegiate culture'? Do I care about this - no, because every colleague would recommend me for redundancy ahead of them, as would I them if it came to it! We'd happily watch each other go under the bus and stand there waving.

I joined the workforce in 1992 and job advertisements in my field of work, which is accountancy, rarely have salaries. They generally don’t like to broadcast it, however the ballpark is quickly established as soon as talks begin. It is really no big deal.

So annoying - got a friend who works for the I am what I am airline, always plugging them on linked in and not one job she promotes has salary listed 🤔

@Aprilx has just really clearly shown how in her industry at that time, secret cultural capital was required to get a decent offer.

That is exactly the kind of thing that excludes "non traditional" applicants. You don't know what you don't know.

Rightly or wrong, I chalk companies up who aren't transparent about salaries on the job ad as cynical and exploitative and probably not organisations I'd want to work for.

Drives me mad as well, but seems to be increasingly common.

I wonder if you know what you sound like with your posts. Anyone who looks down on the front of house staff doesn't sound like a good employer. Do you give your cleaners a box of chocolates for Christmas and a pat on your back afterwards?

Horrible to read that last bit of your first post. Poor buggers having that thought of them.

I don't bother with job adverts that rave about their excellent to work for company but don't put the wage in the advert. Just makes me think they're not very good employers.

Do you give your cleaners a box of chocolates for Christmas and a pat on your back afterwards?

You expect her to touch the peasants?!

Goldenretrievers posts remind me of a poster a few years ago who apparently managed an office, where according to her, the staff were locked in while working and had to seek permission to leave even in an emergency, amongst other things 😂
Free tea, coffee and fruit? That's a benefit? Shit instant coffee too I bet.
I don't eat fruit, so you can shove that.
I don't do gyms either, so you can shove that with the fruit.
Friday's 16.00 finish? Wahey, crack out the crunchies.
Poor Barbara on reception, I don't even know the woman, but I feel sorry for her, does she know the higher uppers look down their conks at her, while throwing her the crumbs from their tables?
Never mind Barbara, here's a crap coffee and a bruised apple.
I wouldn't apply anywhere that doesn't state the salary either, or at least say salary negotiable. They're usually shit companies who want to drive you into the ground while paying what they think is a great salary!
Mind you, those bigwigs at the top don't drive those fancy cars and live in fancy houses due to paying the staff their worth.
Family culture? Hah...I've yet to see one big happy family workforce. It usually means we demand that you work on our terms only and any complaints will immediately go into file 13 ( bin ) any sickness will result in a disciplinary unless you're in a coma, in which case we expect you to phone in yourself. Being in a coma isn't a good enough excuse. You're letting the team down otherwise, after all, Barbara on reception has managed to drag herself to work every day for the last forty years, even when in labour.
Company car? Certainly, once you've worked here for ten years and managed to get promoted to area manager, then we'll bestow you with a crappy Corsa, with the company logo stamped all over it for free advertising of course.
Annual leave? We offer two days more than the law says we have to, to show our appreciation of your hard work. However, we do expect you to answer emails and phone calls. Yes, I know you're on your honeymoon, but we expect you to show commitment to your role. Don't worry, we provide a laptop and mobile so you can keep up with everything.
Gah!

Bet they don't get anywhere near the excellent 'benefits' either.

I'm just a bit gobsmacked at the utter contempt in this posts. Reception staff are vital to any company. Be right up shit creak without them imo.

Yeah, I'd immediately discount it.

The salary of a job is the ABSOLUTE MINIMUM you should get in exchange for your labour. If they can't even be transparent about that begore you apply....!

@GoldenRetriever4

Sadly I've met enough CEOs and MDs like you to think you are not on the wind-up.

Pay your staff properly ffs, and learn what the word benefit means- hint, its not free tea and coffee.

Exactly 😂