Job adverts without salary details

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I'm finding these infuriating and it's putting me off even applying for jobs that otherwise look a good fit for me.

It makes me feel that if the company can't be transparent about salary, what kind of organisation are they otherwise?

I don't want to apply for numerous jobs only to find out it would never be financially viable for me to take up an offer.

Is there ever a benefit to potential employees of this type of advert?

Am I missing something and being unreasonable to not even apply?

I was dithering between two job offers this time last year. I took the one with the nicest most competent receptionists!

I love the reasons that can sway with job offers! Mine was 'Lifts are too small.'

I hate this.

Another pet hate is recruiters getting in touch saying they have read your CV/ LinkedIn etc. and think you would be a great fit for x role (usually FTA rather than permanent) at a salary lower - in cases substantially lower - than I am on now. I have mostly worked in the public sector, so if they had looked at my profile they would easily see that they're (in one recent case) trying to gain my interest in a job that pays half my current salary... And I'm currently considered underpaid for what I do.

I have always been polite in response, but very clear that the post is too junior and what my current salary expectations are. Oddly enough, they do not follow up.

I often find companies that say they offer fantastic culture and benefits package mean they have free coffee in the office kitchen, and offer the mandatory legal amount of A/L, maternity pay and pension contributions.

Yes, salary is only one part of a package... But an important one. Really they should be listing everything they offer to show it really is competitive.

I agree and won’t apply with no pay guide. My job can earn 22k-120k so it’s not obvious.

@GoldenRetriever4 knowing the amount of money you’re prepared to work for isn’t “money grabbing”. What an awful attitude and culture.

So if I applied, went to interview which would usually include presentation, panel discussion and formal interview (so a lot of prep required) then get the job only to be offered a fraction of my pay, I’d have wasted my own time and that of the discussion panel as well as the interviewing panel. I find that approach utterly baffling.

I look forward to the day it becomes law that this information needs to be stated on job ads.

It can be such a waste of time if not, glassdoor and all.

I remember how frustrated i was applying for a job only to get an email back saying my expected salary was above budget - waste of time.

It’s crappy practice. I work in the charity sector and there is a big #showthesalary push because it is deemed to be at odds with claiming to have a focus on diversity, inclusion etc. I would never apply for a job that didn’t have the salary listed, I wouldn’t even bother asking, as it would be a red flag to me that it wasn’t there in the first place.

It’s because the pay is low. They know decent applicants won’t apply if they saw the number.

Dabbling in job searching at the moment and completely agree. I see roles that I might be interested in/ have great skills for but wouldn't consider if they aren't in my salary range. I can make a guess based on the market, but really it's an incredible waste of time for me and for them not to be upfront because they can interview and love me and not have the budget to hire me.

I imagine recruiters have something to do with it, as that puts them at an advantage to match the candidates on their books (they will know what they want to earn) to jobs (for which they will have been given a budget.

totally agree with you. I am fed up of being rang or emailed by recruiters saying of we have your cv on file or seen your profile on LinkedIn and feel this job is suited to you. I ask straight away two things what's the salary and what is your flexi and WFH policy. Usually its about 25k lower than what am on and no or very little flexy or wfh ( like what is this all about especially after covid). They are shocked when i say no not interested then. Like you have my CV or seen my LinkedIn, you see how many years experience i have across many areas in a good few industries plus my degree why do you think that is a suitable wage and then even more surprised as to what i wage am on. I am 5 years with current company and have been promoted once since.
@GoldenRetriever4 i dont care for free fruit, tea or coffee ( don't drink tea or coffee so no use to me) have a subsided canteen (that's actually standard in my work, some companies i work for actually gave it for free). If i do enough hours and my work is done i can finish at 12 on a Friday or even better take it off altogether if i have done the hours. Am allowed WFH and only go into the office 2 days a month. Management also conscious of the fact i have a long commute so never schedule meetings before 10am. I want a decent salary reflective of my work, flexi time, good holidays ( with no cribbing when i take off or ringing me on my day off). Good health insurance package ( needed here in Ireland) and most importantly a manager that respects me and lets me get on with my job.
There is a very well known fizzy drinks company looking for someone in my line of work near to me ( would be a less of a commute than currently have ) but they are paying 10k below on, no flexi time or wfh what so ever, say oh we have a gym on site, subsided canteen, free parking etc as perks - wonder why they cant fill the role for over a year now.

I'm board level too, and I find it quite odd that you don't see Barbara as making a material difference.

The Sales Director might pull in a big lead, but who will be receiving the representative of the big lead on the desk? First impressions count and make a huge difference to customer experience and customer quality, and ultimately could be the deciding factor if your rates are very close to a competitor. If your receptionist treats them like an arsehole, or is useless, what wider experience can they expect working with you?

I agree with tailoring salary to role, but undervaluing customer facing staff to "below market offer" is a bit shit, quite frankly.

@GoldenRetriever4 I presume you take a below market rate salary? Because, you know, you're not a money grabber, and you can't put a price on a cup of Typhoo and a banana?

People work for money, you know, in order to pay bills? Couldn't give fuck about "culture". I bet you call yourselves one big happy family don't you? And then sack people at a moments notice if it suits you? 🤮

You sound like a bot.

"Money grabbers". It's a job. People need to earn money. If you're any good at recruiting, you should be able to find the candidates who will be thrilled at the honour of working for you with paying the bills a lesser priority than that.

How much do you offer professional bullshit artists?

I used to work in recruitment and this was the number one pet peeve of mine with clients (companies hiring people). They’d give me the salary range, and tell me EXPLICITLY not to tell the candidate

so I told the candidate

every time

In my mind as the recruiter and you know, a generally good person, if you are willing to put a salary range in place once, then it’s a done deal. That’s either the salary range or it’s not.

Not all heroes wear capes 🙌

If you can message the recruiter, do so.

If not it'd put me off applying

How much do you offer professional bullshit artists?

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Right on

🤷🏻‍♀️ I’ve always been a little rebellious 😂😂😂

@Seasonofthewitch83
I love the reasons that can sway with job offers! Mine was 'Lifts are too small.'

I worked in one of the most famous buildings in the North West. Oh my, the lifts were SO narrow! Got claustrophobia thinking about it!!! And ram packed of a morning. So yeah I think that's a pretty valid reason 😂

Funnily enough, got approached today about a fairly senior maternity cover job offering a 'competitive salary', meaning they are trying to get someone to step into the same role while playing considerably less.

And the argument of 'we are ready to pay whatever to the right candidate' just doesn't fly as presumably they have a very firm idea of how much their current staff member is getting paid.

This!!

I have exactly this problem now tbh, i'm the salesperson and i can sell all day long, but customers are then going to an overworked and underfunded customer service dept and its ruining all my work and causing us a lot of bad word of mouth to potential customers. I'm thinking of leaving.