Job adverts without salary details

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I'm finding these infuriating and it's putting me off even applying for jobs that otherwise look a good fit for me.

It makes me feel that if the company can't be transparent about salary, what kind of organisation are they otherwise?

I don't want to apply for numerous jobs only to find out it would never be financially viable for me to take up an offer.

Is there ever a benefit to potential employees of this type of advert?

Am I missing something and being unreasonable to not even apply?

I once applied for a job and after many interviews etc was offered it. It was only when I got the offer did it become apparent that they expected an extra hour more than is customary in this industry, and the bare minimum of days holiday a year, 5-10 days less than is customary in my industry and 12 less than I am on now. I rejected the offer immediately.

It wasn’t their fault - they were a multinational company and the terms were set overseas where they were more acceptable but there is no way someone in my line of work would take it in the UK where there are few people with my skills and it’s a competitive market. All that time they wasted interviewing me though just because they weren’t upfront. I still see the post advertised now, and I know others that were offered the role, were shocked at the poor conditions and told them to stuff it.m.

The most important advice anyone has ever given me is be extra nice to the receptionist/ mail staff / cleaners / catering staff etc. in the offices I work in (I am management in a finance company) it is expected that you know how to get stationary / order a locker / what to do when you forget your staff pass etc. It’s then your friends in these jobs come into their own.

I have had similar experiences in education. I have been to interviews for HoD positions where the salary the school was offering was lower than I was earning as a 2 i/c in my current job.

A possible reason for employer doing this is so that they can just disappear a job under the pretext of non suitable applicants

Interestingly there are new salary transparency laws which are being passed in the US, meaning employers legally have to state their minimum and maximum salary points. I work for a US-owned company and we're fully expecting Europe to follow suit at some point in the future.

As pp have posted, this might well soon be covered by EU legislation, so "Europe" will be following suit. However, it is already the norm in many EU countries. Where I live, all job adverts are required to show the salary or at the very least the salary range. Here, there are also legally-binding pay levels for individual industries - e.g. the hospitality industry has one set of negotiated pay rates, the healthcare industry another, different set and so on.

Christ on a bike - thank fuck I don't work there.

Totally, but also because we're all human beings. Most of the "lowly" staff are nicer and more interesting to talk to than senior execs too.

Brilliantly put.

Same in my industry. Jobs with the same title can be 24k pa or 70k. I do what a PP does and ring up to ask the salary range.

I’m a senior manager and company director. We never provide salary information in job adverts as we find it just attracts money grabbers.

🤣 let me phone Halifax and explain to them I won’t be paying my mortgage because my employer thinks that be interested in salary is “money grabbing” but they shouldn’t worry because I get great coffee.

everyone has financial commitments they need to make each month- if the job doesn’t cover that then it is wasting everyone’s time for me to apply.

And, if you think anyone in your company is working for any reason apart from the money you are absolutely delusional

Goldenretriever's benefits remind me of those jobs that advertise the minimum standards as benefits
"Work for us and you'll get the following amazing benefits:
25 days annual leave (bare minimum)
Cycle to work scheme (great...)
Competitive sick pay (how so?)
Pension scheme (great, but what is it?)
40 hours a week (average then)"

Yeah my bank are money grabbing bastards I think I'll stop paying them my mortgage payments and tell them they are getting all the groovy benefits of having me as a customer - that should satisfy them. Or maybe I'll tell them they are only entitled to receive my mortgage payments when they can demonstrate they are a superstar bank and outperform all the others.

Well, it keeps the recruitment agency industry alive. If there's no salary range, I'm getting someone to negotiate on my behalf.

@GoldenRetriever4 have you told your receptionist that she makes no material difference?

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@GoldenRetriever4 have you told your receptionist that she makes no material difference?

Well of course not, that would not promote the amazing culture of PP's workplace now would it? Unless the culture only applies to the VIPs and Barbara on reception can go swivel.

I absolutely will not apply for a job not showing specifics like expected working pattern or salary or specific location, I need to know if I can logistically commit to a job, I'm going to need to get there, have and pay for childcare, do the hours etc I don't see the point to them or me in wasting time applying for a job where they don't have something clear. Also, I can only assume the person posting the ad doesn't have the skill for their own job and I want to work somewhere with a goof reputation.

Well I would have agreed with everyone until two years ago when DD was made redundant from a job paying £22k.
She was desperate for a job so applied for everything that seemed suitable.
One job didn’t give a salary but after several stages she was through to the last round and was going to ask for £24k. She didn’t need to because they offered her £30k.
It’s turned out to be a fabulous job for a really good company. Perhaps no putting a salary worked to her advantage as she probably would have been up against people with more experience.

I hate it. I was looking a couple of years back and hated when I asked the salary range and was asked ‘well what are you looking for?’

Ita then do I go for what would like to earn in perfect world or the lower salary I’d accept?

My previous company stopped putting salary ranges because they said everyone expects the highest figure quoted when really they would offer at the lower end so yea it’s about being cheap

I don't apply for jobs that don't advertise the salary. I've emailed to ask in the past, and invariably receive no response, so now I don't bother.

One of the reasons I took my current job was because of the reception I got on arriving for my interview. As it is, the job hasn't turned out to be what I expected, so I'm looking to move on, but I'll always remember that first impression.

I meant to say, it can be such a long winded process applying for jobs these days, so I'm buggered if I'm going to waste it applying for a role I have no idea what the salary is. And that goes for too high a salary as well as too low.

One of the reasons I took my current job was because of the reception I got on arriving for my interview.

When I arrived for my interview at my current job the (very lonely) receptionist offered me a glass of water which I declined. A few minutes later she saw me getting a bit tetchy (anxiety) and gently encouraged the glass of water which I gratefully accepted.

I told her on my first day I'm pretty certain I wouldn't have got the job without that glass of water.

Generally speaking, we do not list the salary as we are a niche ish industry so if you already work in it, you have a general idea of salary expectations. You also tend to know how the bigger companies will pay more, the smaller ones tend to have other benefits e.g. better work-life balance. We don't list the salary because I guess we don't want to put off someone AMAZING who we would pay more for.
That being said, I think the point someone made to me before on a thread which really resonated is how leaving roles open to negotiation is always going to be the detriment to women, particularly women in colour. I raised this with my employer and we are now changing our recruitment process and listing salary ranges.
FYI I never use easy apply now because I literally get inundated with applications that are no good.

I think this is tactics and they're trying to weed people out. They want you to want the job purely for fun, not for money. So when you do ask about salary they can feedback 'well, you didn't seem interested/passionate enough about role, only the salary' 😫

Sounds like a good technique because I wouldn't want to work there if that's their ethos.

Great that you have taken it on board, heartening to hear that some companies are doing their part to level the playing field