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To think no she shouldn’t get a British passport

195 replies

Lillonely · 22/05/2023 21:16

I’m prepared to be told I’m BU here

you might have read my other MIL threads here, feel free to search.

the bare bones are, asian family (Pakistani, myself included) MIL cant speak English, never worked, never made any attempt to. FIL is a Prince and brought her here and in affect ditched her to swan off with second wife (cough mistress cough. Both MIL and FIL left dh from early teens to earn for the house hold and then be the breadwinner at 16. The boy had holes in shoes and an empty tummy and she never attempted to work. Still wants to be provided for, won’t do anything.

but now she wants a British passport, and there are loopholes. I actually think no, you shouldn’t have one, settled status fine but not citizenship. My parents and grandparents were grafters, integrated, and didn’t expect anything for free and took pride in taking the citizen ship exams and studying and passing not just wanting handouts. I mean I wouldn’t expect to go to France, Germany, uae and them to hand me a passport and citizenship and not bother to even learn the language. Aibu to think get it the legit way or don’t bother. She’s got nothing nice to say about Brits or British culture or anything so why would you want a part of it? I feel it’s crap like this that gives British Muslims a bad name.

aibu and am I letting our history (she’s not very nice to me or my family despite us trying to help her) cloud by judgment?

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ovverleaf · 22/05/2023 22:53

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SgtBilko · 22/05/2023 22:56

VestaTilley · 22/05/2023 22:26

YANBU.

Shop her to the Home Office! It’s people like her who give immigrants a really bad name.

Shop her for what? She wants a British Passport. She hasn’t done anything illegal.

FrostyFifi · 22/05/2023 22:56

Are you one of those brown people who make videos praising Nigel Farage and Trump etc?

I thought that was a very racist way to describe someone? Have we gone full circle and it's okay again if you don't like someone's political views?

SwitchDiver · 22/05/2023 22:56

FrostyFifi · 22/05/2023 22:50

You must have been on a different route, the family member routes all have the Life in the U.K. test at ILR, not naturalisation. The OP’s MIL would be on a family route as well, the same as my family

Yes, through a work permit. The point is that doesn't make the OP a troll, it also depends when you got your ILR presumably.

Yes, well I’m up to date and I expected (wrongly I see now) that the OP would at least know the basics of what applies to her MIL immigration wise and also not be posting views that immigrants regularity cheat their way into British citizenship.

sheldonia · 22/05/2023 22:58

SwitchDiver · 22/05/2023 21:43

There is no such thing as a citizenship exam. Reported.

What is actually wrong with you?

ovverleaf · 22/05/2023 22:58

FrostyFifi · 22/05/2023 22:56

Are you one of those brown people who make videos praising Nigel Farage and Trump etc?

I thought that was a very racist way to describe someone? Have we gone full circle and it's okay again if you don't like someone's political views?

Brown is fine. I'm brown. It's like saying Black people.

SwitchDiver · 22/05/2023 22:59

UglyModernWindows · 22/05/2023 22:18

@SwitchDiver I submitted my documents last August and my decision came through in 5 weeks flat. I was very surprised how quick it was. I’m an EU citizen though, not sure if it has an impact though.

Perhaps. Was that for settled status or naturalisation? My relative got ILR in 11 months from submission to letter then another month for BRP to arrive. Naturalisation is submitted last month and warned probably a year wait, although did update biometrics last week. They are not EU or Commonwealth.

Ihatepickingausername3 · 22/05/2023 23:01

Well if that’s how you feel then you’re obviously too busy to help with the application aren’t you? That’s probably not even a lie by the sounds of it!

UglyModernWindows · 22/05/2023 23:02

@SwitchDiver It was for naturalisation, I already had settled status. I applied as a spouse to a British citizen and had to go through the whole hog, english test and the Life in the UK test.

nationallampoons · 22/05/2023 23:02

Is she entitled/getting a state pension?

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Lillonely · 22/05/2023 23:03

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yes I love trump and farage… 😕 (sarcasm)

no she’s not immigrant scum and neither are the extended family. Some aren’t nice but they aren’t scum.

she’s asked me to sort it out and get it for her, im not sure she knows how difficult it is. I think someone has put something into her head about it, that’s why it’s coming up now

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Xenia · 22/05/2023 23:04

It is certainly a big issue with the latest figures about to show the highest immigration (net im. of 700,000 - that is lawful immigration) in our history 7m on NHS waiting lists and very few properties to rent or buy. we probably have about 1m illegals too.

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Lillonely · 22/05/2023 23:05

nationallampoons · 22/05/2023 23:02

Is she entitled/getting a state pension?

No to both, she doesn’t have the NO contributions

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UglyModernWindows · 22/05/2023 23:06

I’m an immigrant and there’s nothing on OP’s messages that says all immigrants are scum 😵‍💫

SwitchDiver · 22/05/2023 23:06

HamBone · 22/05/2023 22:52

@SwitchDiver I appreciate that you’re suspicious, but the OP is a known poster who’s complained about her in-laws in the past! I believe her MIL came to the UK decades ago so perhaps the process was v. different then?

Yes, got it. That’s why I’ve posted upthread the exemptions to the life in U.K. test and English language requirement that MIL might qualify for to be helpful to OP. OP thinks that would be ‘blagging’ even though she said her MILs GP would agree with the exemptions.

SwitchDiver · 22/05/2023 23:07

Lillonely · 22/05/2023 23:05

No to both, she doesn’t have the NO contributions

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She’s underage though isn’t she? You said she is a few years from 65. When she is 65, she would eligible for pension credit.

sheldonia · 22/05/2023 23:07

SwitchDiver · 22/05/2023 21:51

Ok, so do you know that in the U.K. we have many Irish, Welsh and Scots that also do not speak English but are still British citizens?

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No you really don't. That's utter bollocks. For one you have ZERO Irish people who can't speak English but are British citizens. Not a fucking one.

There isn't even anyone Irish in Ireland who doesn't speak English. That's not a thing that has existed for generations, ffs.
What horseshit.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 22/05/2023 23:08

SwitchDiver · 22/05/2023 21:43

There is no such thing as a citizenship exam. Reported.

Yes, there is. Just look on Gov.UK.
it cost £150

Dixiechickonhols · 22/05/2023 23:09

Lillonely · 22/05/2023 21:16

I’m prepared to be told I’m BU here

you might have read my other MIL threads here, feel free to search.

the bare bones are, asian family (Pakistani, myself included) MIL cant speak English, never worked, never made any attempt to. FIL is a Prince and brought her here and in affect ditched her to swan off with second wife (cough mistress cough. Both MIL and FIL left dh from early teens to earn for the house hold and then be the breadwinner at 16. The boy had holes in shoes and an empty tummy and she never attempted to work. Still wants to be provided for, won’t do anything.

but now she wants a British passport, and there are loopholes. I actually think no, you shouldn’t have one, settled status fine but not citizenship. My parents and grandparents were grafters, integrated, and didn’t expect anything for free and took pride in taking the citizen ship exams and studying and passing not just wanting handouts. I mean I wouldn’t expect to go to France, Germany, uae and them to hand me a passport and citizenship and not bother to even learn the language. Aibu to think get it the legit way or don’t bother. She’s got nothing nice to say about Brits or British culture or anything so why would you want a part of it? I feel it’s crap like this that gives British Muslims a bad name.

aibu and am I letting our history (she’s not very nice to me or my family despite us trying to help her) cloud by judgment?

I remember your previous posts. That she won’t engage. Given her lack of English and no education will she be able to meet the requirements. I recall she wasn’t elderly.

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Lillonely · 22/05/2023 23:09

SwitchDiver · 22/05/2023 23:07

She’s underage though isn’t she? You said she is a few years from 65. When she is 65, she would eligible for pension credit.

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NI contributions^

yes she can get pension credit at 65, the question was does she have a state pension and she doesn’t. I learned from my other thread about pension credit

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SmashedApricot · 22/05/2023 23:10

Why does she want one now after all this time ?

ASimpleLampoon · 22/05/2023 23:11

If she's asking you to do something illegal then absolutely not.

Or if she's expecting your dsis /dh to do likewise then No.

If she meets requirements then there s not much you can do about it.

Confused as to your claim that she's had an easy time getting citizenship though.

As far as I know getting to ILR then citizenship is much more complicated than when my DH did it 10 years ago.

StormShadow · 22/05/2023 23:14

On the facts given, MIL could absolutely have ILR without having had to do Life in the UK. It's only been introduced within the last 20 years, has never been a retrospective requirement and there are any number of people who got their ILR before then but for whatever reason haven't obtained citizenship. The fact that she has the old paper showing her ILR rather than the BRP further reinforces this.

MrsTerryPratchett · 22/05/2023 23:17

I’m a native English speaker with four degrees in Eng Lit, an interest in history and well-informed on current affairs who’d lived in the UK for 25 years, and when a Finnish colleague was studying for the ‘Life in the UK’ test, I did a mock one online out of curiosity — and failed. No idea how many are on a cricket team, or how many sit in the House of Lords…

Precisely @EmptyBedBlues

It gives the impression of having been written by someone white, male, studied the Classics, likes cricket and thinks England's (and I do mean England's) Golden Age was centuries ago. And that knowing the dates and quantities and numbers is all much more important that WHY things happened and WHY they're important. Although I think the current shower probably would rather people know the date of the Magna Carta, rather than the principle that power should have limits.

You can study to the test but it's not useful or relevant to most people.

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Lillonely · 22/05/2023 23:18

ASimpleLampoon · 22/05/2023 23:11

If she's asking you to do something illegal then absolutely not.

Or if she's expecting your dsis /dh to do likewise then No.

If she meets requirements then there s not much you can do about it.

Confused as to your claim that she's had an easy time getting citizenship though.

As far as I know getting to ILR then citizenship is much more complicated than when my DH did it 10 years ago.

its the arm twisting to get it for her that’s bothering me, I think just get it legit or don’t bother. So when she’s 65 and can pay for it herself, yeah go for it, but don’t expect me or dh to pay, but sure he’ll sort the forms because it’s legit. It’s only a few more years to wait in the grand scheme of things.

she doesn’t have citizenship? She has ILR

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