To think no she shouldn’t get a British passport

[Lillonely]

I’m prepared to be told I’m BU here

you might have read my other MIL threads here, feel free to search.

the bare bones are, asian family (Pakistani, myself included) MIL cant speak English, never worked, never made any attempt to. FIL is a Prince and brought her here and in affect ditched her to swan off with second wife (cough mistress cough. Both MIL and FIL left dh from early teens to earn for the house hold and then be the breadwinner at 16. The boy had holes in shoes and an empty tummy and she never attempted to work. Still wants to be provided for, won’t do anything.

but now she wants a British passport, and there are loopholes. I actually think no, you shouldn’t have one, settled status fine but not citizenship. My parents and grandparents were grafters, integrated, and didn’t expect anything for free and took pride in taking the citizen ship exams and studying and passing not just wanting handouts. I mean I wouldn’t expect to go to France, Germany, uae and them to hand me a passport and citizenship and not bother to even learn the language. Aibu to think get it the legit way or don’t bother. She’s got nothing nice to say about Brits or British culture or anything so why would you want a part of it? I feel it’s crap like this that gives British Muslims a bad name.

aibu and am I letting our history (she’s not very nice to me or my family despite us trying to help her) cloud by judgment?

@SwitchDiver I submitted my documents last August and my decision came through in 5 weeks flat. I was very surprised how quick it was. I’m an EU citizen though, not sure if it has an impact though.

Don't sit the test for her and don't help her to fill out forms. She can get someone else to do that.
But it's not your decision whether it is awarded or not. You don't want her to get it for various reasons and compare her to your parents. If she meets the criteria she will be awarded it. If she doesn't she won't.
I wouldn't get involved in it at all.

I am now naturalized in another country. The ID checks at the exam were very strict. My ID was checked 3 times - on arrival at the centre, on entering the room and once again when I was sitting at my desk with the exam paper in front of me. The UK will be similar.

I just did a practice 'Life in the UK test' and failed 🤣🙈 I'm British, my parents are British, my grandparents are British. Who has to do that test?!

baffled by this assertion from @SwitchDiver :

"Ok, so do you know that in the U.K. we have many Irish, Welsh and Scots that also do not speak English but are still British citizens?"

The vast majority of Irish, Welsh and Scots people in the UK can speak English (even those who prefer using Welsh/ Gaelic at home). I suspect the only ones who don't are D/deaf people who use sign language instead.
Who are you referring to in your post?!

GPs were the ones to First come, parents born here (did live a bit back home ) as was I but we still get called immigrants (2nd, 3rd gen)

Why does she want it now op?

Sounds very difficult for you 💐

Presumably her grandparents were the ones who came over initially, her parents was born here, as was the OP, but some people would consider them all immigrants as they're not 'white British'. That's how I took it all anyway - I didn't see it as fishy.

Also baffled by the many Irish, Scottish and Welsh people who can't speak English (as stated by @SwitchDiver)

YANBU.

Shop her to the Home Office! It’s people like her who give immigrants a really bad name.

What's your deal @SwitchDiver? Nothing about this post is unbelievable.

OP, I remember your older posts. Your MIL sounds like a real handful. Just say you can't help and then ignore her whining. Why does she suddenly want the passport? What benefit does she think she'll get from having it when she already has ILR?

Going off the subject. What does the term dog whistle mean here?

I’ve just completed a practice test and passed. Got a few wrong, including a silly mistake, because I didn’t read it properly.

I’m a naturalized American and that test also required some studying ( and I expect that many Americans wouldn’t pass it without preparation). It is what it is, and it sounds as if it makes sense for your MIL to wait until she’s 65 to apply. Don’t get involved, OP.

Stop derailing the thread with troll hunting, if you don't believe it then report and move on.

I completely believe it, I have heard so many crazy stories of people paying others to take their tests for them though I think they have massively tightened up on security over the years. I had to take the citizenship test when I naturalised and it was hard! I failed the first time despite being a native English speaker and having lived here since I was 16, I thought I didn't have to revise. And it was expensive too, so I was really annoyed with myself. Someone who doesn't speak English would have a tough time.

I'd just be busy whenever she asks for help. If she manages to get some other mug to do it, not your problem. And go as low/no contact as you are able!

Like a come to for racists in this instance

Yes the vast majority do speak English, but many as in more than a rare few do not speak English. I am speaking to the OP who thinks that her MIL has no right to British citizenship unless she speaks English.

It’s with travel, she only has a paper visa and can’t get a card for some reason, she always gets stopped at airports and can’t answer the questions and it turns into a right faff and a half.

truth is, she should’ve got one years ago, her lovely husband should’ve sorted it when rules we more relaxed in the 90s

I remember your previous thread and MIL sounds horrendously entitled. I'd just put her on the first place back to her family as she hates it here so much.

Not sure what citizenship would bring her as she's here legally? Just grey rock her incessant demands.

But that’s apples and oranges isn’t it, ive yet to meet a Welsh person that doesn’t speak English to some degree and those people don’t have to sit a test or exams or try and get someone to do it for them, that’s my problem. Get it legit, don’t try and get me to commit a crime for you

No. The Life in U.K. test is for ILR, not naturalisation. The OP is talking bollocks, and doing the immigrants cheat all the time dog whistle

I can assure you it's for naturalisation, having personally been through the process.

I’m a native English speaker with four degrees in Eng Lit, an interest in history and well-informed on current affairs who’d lived in the UK for 25 years, and when a Finnish colleague was studying for the ‘Life in the UK’ test, I did a mock one online out of curiosity — and failed. No idea how many are on a cricket team, or how many sit in the House of Lords…

Ok, so do you know that in the U.K. we have many Irish, Welsh and Scots that also do not speak English but are still British citizens?

I would be absolutely amazed if this were true for even one or two people. We categorically do not have "many".

You must have been on a different route, the family member routes all have the Life in the U.K. test at ILR, not naturalisation. The OP’s MIL would be on a family route as well, the same as my family.
https://www.gov.uk/indefinite-leave-to-remain-family/print

You must have been on a different route, the family member routes all have the Life in the U.K. test at ILR, not naturalisation. The OP’s MIL would be on a family route as well, the same as my family

Yes, through a work permit. The point is that doesn't make the OP a troll, it also depends when you got your ILR presumably.

@SwitchDiver I appreciate that you’re suspicious, but the OP is a known poster who’s complained about her in-laws in the past! I believe her MIL came to the UK decades ago so perhaps the process was v. different then?