Why so much fuss over Stella Braverman?

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I’m just wondering who on earth cares? Can’t understand why this is such big news.

Relevant? Like that 26 year old link she posted to refute something about current Labour policy? She never did come back to explain the relevance, perhaps you can?

It's actually gently amusing to see the efforts she goes to to try to divert attention from Tory failings, not least because every time it happens it's as good as announcing to the world "I know I haven't got a single argument to defend this latest bit of incompetence/immorality/illiegality/outright cruelty so I'm trying to derail the discussion instead".

Yeah... Johnson is out in the States and the moment schmoozing Trumpy, the sex offender with piles of court cases pending. His poor constituents if he is in fact still an MP. Not sure given the after dinner circuit and his USA tour.

You cannot say what Sir Keir Starmer would have done, we can only judge what the Tories have done for 13 years. Your insults of him are really really juvenile by the way. He's obviously rattled you

Polls ain't turning round Janiie. If anything it will get worse.

'Your insults of him are really really juvenile by the way. He's obviously rattled you'

Mild mockery, unclench. Calling him Sir Beer is surely on par with some of your pals on here calling braverman 'Cruella'. I wouldn't say he's rattled me per se but he does indeed sounds like Zippy and we know his front bench are a joke. Facts really.

What with the 'unclench' nonsense. I could say 'unclench' to you given you have to hurl pathetic names around because you are rattled.

Please note. I have never called Braverman Cruella. I have called her once or twice Sue Ellen which is her proper name. Other than that she is Suella or Braverman.

I won't even ask how he sounds like Zippy. Just pathetic from you to be honest. I wonder who is Bungle of the Tories, too many candidates to pick one.

Facts? Nah. Name calling by someone who is rattled by Labour, poor you!

Not really, I was replying directly to Blossomtoes - who I know is a fervent Labour supporter.

Actually she isn’t. I spoilt my paper in 2019 because I couldn’t stomach Corbyn. If a Labour government was fucking up as badly as this one is I’d be just as vociferous in my criticism. Because I’m not a blind tribalist.

You're sounding a bit rattled yourself tbh. I've never seen you pull anyone up on the Cruella 'nonsense' though, or is it one rule for one side and another for others? Think Bungle could equally be Sir Korma. Not sure about Geoffrey..

Anway. Back to the thread!

Who made you adjudicator, Barking ‘back to the thread’ at people?

I think you’re confusing ‘rattled’ and ‘irritated’ btw, but we know how much you struggle with definitions. Why’s it if any importance to you if people are rattled anyway? You’re obsessed.

Do you and your pals sit up late into the night with a beer and curry, dreaming up names to call Starmer or are you too young to be on MN ?

I am not a Moderator and not the thread police. Why do I have to monitor other posters? Do you do that?
If I was to list all the stuff that you could pull posters up on, I would be here till a week next Tuesday.

I could not be more chilled. I've just eaten a delicious cheese toasted sandwich, this morning I cleared out the garage and painted a gate (both long overdue, yay now done!) , and I'm just relaxing with a cuppa. Life is good.

Starmer sounds nothing like Zippy.

He sounds like Alan Partridge.

'I am not a Moderator and not the thread police. Why do I have to monitor other posters? Do you do that?'

So why police what I say?! Its about consistency you see, so if Sir Beer is so very insulting that you and others tell me off, I'd like to see you also tell others off for 'Cruella'. But nope, zilch. Insults ok for the scummy Tories but not for precious Labour. It's all so very tedious and one sided.

'He's obviously rattled you' < posted by Rousette>

'Why’s it if any importance to you if people are rattled anyway? You’re obsessed' <asked by cornetto>

I know!

Yes, why does that surprise you when I've openly said for May years and here on this thread that I didn't like his politics and he was too far left for me?

It's so odd that you need to ask all the hows and why's of what I did when I already told you my views and then the only response you have is "so you voted to keep Corbyn out" which is what I originally stated in the first place.

I don't like the consequences of the Johnson Tory party we got anymore than than the Corbyn Labour I think we would have.

However what I've seen of Starmer I'd prefer his Labour than any of this current lots Tory.

It's worrying it seems odd to you people have critically think for themselves and make independent decisions without having to be tribally attached to one group or another.

Maybe it's something you should consider trying

Perhaps they've mistaken me for you then? As clav has stated she apparently has ways and means of knowing I've spoilt a ballot paper that I've never spoilt in the past.

Quite ridiculous really and just goes to show that - again - they can't argue this current Tory party are doing a great job but just play stupid mind games (or attempt to) by trying to state they know what I - a name on a screen - have done better than I do 🤦‍♀️

Just because I find the insults daft and told you so, I have to go around policing what everyone else says on here too? I didn't call it 'very insulting'. I said it was juvenile. Sir Beer is just a ridiculous old hat childish jibe, it's had it's day to be honest.

The thing is... posters on here are doing very little with the childish names so you haven't got much to police have you....
Cruella... that's about it isn't it?

Can't count Sue Ellen. It's her real name. It's like calling Johnson, Alexander. His name.

Ah, the ‘I know you are but what am I?’ tactic.

I don’t think anyone is calling you out on your manners, they’re calling you out on the tedious content of your posts and tedious assumptions that everyone not in agreement with you is as fervently wedded to political colours as you are.

Any criticism of the current government is met with whatboutery instead of the topic at hand.

'I don’t think anyone is calling you out on your manners, they’re calling you out on the tedious content of your posts and tedious assumptions '

Oh cornetto just because you're not in my league no need for such bitterness!

Again, anyone can call me out on my 'manners', but if Sir Beer rattles cages then so should Cruella. Except is doesn't, because <checks notes>, nope still no one has answered.

Any criticism of the current government is met with whatboutery instead of the topic at hand.

In 2019 my friend and I discussed politics a lot. She's always supported Tory. I've always been swing. I said I'd never voted Tory and actually really hadn't ever considered it because I work in education and I know what they do to that.

But .... I didn't align in any way with Corbyn and despite voting LD the GE before didn't align with their stance at that point on Brexit.

I was a remainer. Ironically like Johnson initially was!

We talked for hours. She gave her views on how he'd get brexit done and I was for getting done what we had voted for - even if I didn't agree with it - done. Because that's democracy.

I really wasn't sure right up until election day what I was going to do. But I don't agree with spoiling so it's not a choice I personally make.

Recently we had another of our nice long lunches and chats and she actually said "I bet you regret the day you ever listened to me persuading you to vote Tory this time"

This is the same friend who was a lawyer for the CPS and moved to a different department under Braverman because of Bravermans unreasonable demands to find guilt to get to CPS where no evidence existed - to meet Bravermans political aims.

But yet - when any of us discuss the current government and the shite show it is the only argument we get back is "but Sir Beer" "but Corbyn" "it's because you're a Labour supporter" and such rubbish.

It's says far more about the current Tory party that their own loyal supporters can't say "but they have done x y and z" or "they've delivered X y and z" than it does about the people criticising them with actual facts and figures.

Personally I'd rather we had a competent Tory party who I couldn't slate despite not being a natural Tory myself and properly run and prosperous country to reside in.

Fwiw neither Sir Beer or Cruella bother me.

I call Braverman Cruella at times because I've dealt with her in RL and personally come across her cruelness.

I'm more than happy to admit it's to make me feel better and it's childish

But then that's why you call him Sir Beer. You don't like the fact his beer wasn't against guidelines and it makes you feel better and superior by doing so.

Anyone who denies calling others names is about making themselves feel better or superior is lying.

The same way as anyone who says that actually it's ok (when we know really it's not) is also lying!

Oh cornetto just because you're not in my league no need for such bitterness!

any league you’re in is not a desirable one. Your posts are largely non-sensical ranting at an imaginary enemy.

but if Sir Beer rattles cages then so should Cruella. Except is doesn't, because <checks notes>, nope still no one has answered

I’m happy to say that they’re both fucking stupid and annoying 😁

Hate to point out I beat you too it above

Even with the added admittance I do it because I know it's childish and can't stand her

I do think these threads would go better if certain posters were ignored when they derail with their silly Sir Beers etc.

@itsgettingweird but you have met her personally, so you are more entitled to an opinion than the rest of us. You also acknowledge that namecalling is childish, which is more than the Tory fangirls have managed.

Me, I don't care about names or any of it. I'm naturally left of centre, in 2010 I wouldn't have voted Labour if I'd had a vote (I don't, I am an EU national) because for me their ID card plan was a massive overreach. Now after 13 years of austerity, the Brexit shitshow and all the hatefulness and corruption what I want is a government that is stable, boring, competent and calm. So if I did have a vote, the Tories would absolutely not be getting it.

In my patch (West Suffolk) the independents I voted for locally have put together a working party with Labour, the LDs and the Greens to form a working majority which for the first time isn't Tory. The Tories are very pouty about it because they're still the largest group and they feel they have a right to rule. Me, I'd rather have the guys I see out and about actually doing stuff locally and making positive change. And that isn't the Tory councillors round my way.