To this is fucking dangerous and why we must get the Tories out?

[dontlookbackyourenotgoingthatway]

This:

nationalconservatism.org/national-conservatism-a-statement-of-principles/

Look at the speakers;

nationalconservatism.org/natcon-uk-2023/

How can anybody who has studied any history whatsoever vote for this?

Are living in some kind of shit, TV movie about the fall of the UK?

I agree, OP. I wonder what reality tory voters live in.

I wonder, do they do it cos it makes them feel superior? I know people on benefits who vote Tory, go figure.

Look at what they have done to this country...

• NHS on its absolute last legs and the only reason the,Tories have started to think about propping it up is cos noonecwill buy into it if it isn't going to make them money
• Roads with more potholes than smooth surfaces cos local authorities get no help from central government and can't put council tax at the level it needs to be to fund highways, social services etc.
• oh wait how about tgecfact we even gave to pay council tax?
• VAT 20%
• Cheering because tge number of police officers has risen to the sane kdvel it was when Cameron took over from Gordon Brown
• Austerity since 2008 when there was no need - proven by how much the government borrowed to give it to tory backers or allow it to be defrauded in the pandemic
• Taxing workers so much that they're better off choosing not to work
• UK is 18th in to ranks for being corrupt, we are now worse than Belgium which was always considered the most corrupt country in Europe
• Loss of rights to peacefully protest
• Loss of employment rights

Etc etc.

Tory voters are the devil incarnate.

Yes, I'd like an answer to that too

I wonder, do they do it cos it makes them feel superior? I know people on benefits who vote Tory, go figure.
Lots of projection going on there.
Again, are you prepared to let GC women go under the bus when Labour get in? Because we will.

There is a debate in Parliament on this very subject on 12th June. Let's see what happens then.

Tory voters are the devil incarnate.
Really? You absolutely believe that thousands of people in the UK are the devil incarnate. Just because they vote differently from you?
You're unhinged.

Labour might. KS has said some hopeful things about not furthering Self ID beyond what the Tories have done. He may struggle to reverse the current Tory genderwoo shite.

Lib -Lab coalition, its going to be harder.

So back to my question, why is Sunak not protecting our rights now? Do you need a reminder of the options?

Harder to travel to other countries and beaches and rivers are full of shit if you holiday in Britain.

Its nice I think that the "But they know what a woman is" gang have come out and shown their true colours.
In the past somewhat in jest I have commented they know what a woman is and what they are for, but here we are, with them actually saying that and there are posters rushing to defend them.

The mind boggles.

Labour might. KS has said some hopeful things about not furthering Self ID beyond what the Tories have done
Reform of the GR A to allow self-Id is in the Labour manifesto. You really believe KS on this, on his record? Good luck with that

I'm not defending the Tories. I've never voted for them. But claiming that they plan to ban abortion is just plain ridiculous.

I am beyond angry with Labour and the Lib Dems for showing such utter contempt for women's rights, safety and dignity, and can no longer vote for either of them.

Women need better options.

I don't think this lot will take over (and, with all his faults, I doubt that Gove is really a true believer in this sort of thing; the others are more worrying).

But we should never be complacent. In 2008, I was tutting smugly about the American Republicans choosing Sarah Palin as VP candidate, and was sure that the religious right would never have influence here. In 2010, I was reeling as the MP for my seemingly-liberal, later strongly Remain-voting, constituency, was smeared by Christian Right activists as 'Dr Death' for being too pro-choice, and defeated probably as a result: certainly the fundies took the credit! We managed to reverse this, and now have a possibly even more progressive MP, who was almost the only non-Tory MP in England to increase her majority in 2019. But it's always necessary to be vigilant and not to just assume that things 'can't happen here', even in quite progressive places. And of course many parts of Northern Ireland in particular are influenced by the religious right at any time.

There are senior members of the Tory party some of whom spoke at the Nat-C event that want to ban abortion and make no secret of it.

I know posters on here would rather women didn’t bring up their rights. Like Labour, Starmer, Lammy and Drakeford.

They get sneery and try to shut it down as the above do. They’re in good company with their party of loyalty.

But women don’t have to stop talking about it just because it makes them squirm.

The tactics of silencing from Labour are so off though.

KS has said some hopeful things about not furthering Self ID

Can you expand on this, what do you mean?

Are you refering to the women's rights such as to have as many children as JRM and the other speakers at the NatC event were advocating and to have less education than boys because they don't need it to stay at home and look after the children?

Do you believe a single word that comes out of the lying Tories, lying mouths?

If so PM me Hun, see I've got these beans. You'll be amazed, they'll change your life.
😉

They also won't significantly reduce your right to protest, try and introduce restrictions on voting, change electoral boundaries, savage workers rights, deport successful asylum seekers to a dictatorship, run down social care as a torpedo in the side of the NHS, oversee the de facto privatisation of education and jeopardise peace in Northern Ireland. Only when those things happen might I believe they'll think about hard earned women's rights.

Absolutely.

And it's scary that some people still can't see it

What has changed in 3 years -

A Tory MP who spoke alongside far-right politicians at a conference has been reprimanded by his party but avoided a suspension.
Daniel Kawczynski was widely condemned for talking at the National Conservatism event in Rome.
He was part of a line-up that included Hungarian prime minister Viktor Orban, a Polish MEP who reportedly described homophobia as a "totally fictitious problem" and Marion Marechal, the niece of French far-right leader Marine Le Pen who also called France "the little niece of Islam".

But the Conservatives defied the call and issued a statement saying: "Daniel Kawczynski has been formally warned that his attendance at this event was not acceptable, particularly in light of the views of some of those in attendance, which we utterly condemn, and that he is expected to hold himself to higher standards."
"Daniel has accepted this and apologised."

news.sky.com/story/amp/tory-mp-daniel-kawczynski-reprimanded-but-avoids-suspension-for-conference-talk-alongside-far-right-figures-11927858

Now they are destined get their names in the bill.

When it's an actual Tory party policy with broad enough cross party support for there to be a risk of a new bill being put forward and parliament voting in favour of it, then I'll worry about it.

But right now this just looks like a pathetic attempt to distract people from the fact that Lisa Nandy thinks male rapists should be allowed to live in women's prisons if they feel that is a better match for their "gender identity" and David Lammy thinks women who need single sex spaces are "dinosaurs who hoard rights".

I mean, fucking hell. The left used to keep this kind of misogyny on the down low. Now they're just saying it out loud.

I’m referring to the typical Labour loyalist doing as Labour does

Stop talking about this you women, no one cares - Labour Starmer, Lammy, Drakeford

And pp on mn

Maybe they know it’s not welcome. Tough at least let us hear the proposals

Honestly this kind of stuff just puts off floating voters. A bunch of people talking about stuff that I don’t actually agree with is fine by me. In free democratic societies people we don’t like can say shit.

If they happen to be politicians they then have to convince other MP’s then their membership then the rest of the country. There are 5 MP’s from a political party attending an event and thats turned into “arrgh the tory party are in bed with right wing religious fanatics from the USA. Our PM is hindu, apparently we have the highest number of openly gay MP’s int he world. Hardly a nation about to try emulate the handmaidens tale.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/mar/07/uk-among-most-liberal-countries-on-divorce-and-abortion-survey-reveals

'Do you believe a single word that comes out of the lying Tories, lying mouths?
Doesn't matter. I know for a fact what's in the Labour manifesto.

Well said @SerendipityJane, NatC they are and proud of it apparently. Just like the last lot.

Ah good old #dklemon. So bad he couldn't even get a ministerial post in Johnson's lame government last summer.

No, but three of them are, or were until recently, Cabinet ministers.

Compared with, for example, the influence of the Monday Club 40 years ago, this is indeed relatively small. But such people can still present a danger. Consider that in America, the Republicans have moved so far to the right that Mitt Romney, their standard-bearer 11 years ago, is now regarded as one of the most liberal Republicans in the Senate, and the daughter of Dick fucking Cheney was deselected for being too independent. Consider what Erdogan and the (Muslim in this case) religious right have done to the once comparatively liberal and secularist Turkey.