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To this is fucking dangerous and why we must get the Tories out?

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dontlookbackyourenotgoingthatway · 16/05/2023 09:37

This:

nationalconservatism.org/national-conservatism-a-statement-of-principles/

Look at the speakers;

nationalconservatism.org/natcon-uk-2023/

How can anybody who has studied any history whatsoever vote for this?

Are living in some kind of shit, TV movie about the fall of the UK?

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MargotBamborough · 17/05/2023 20:47

Notonthestairs · 17/05/2023 20:46

Hang on of course it will be interesting to see what the Conservatives do out of power!

According to an earlier poster they'll be back within a decade. How they reframe themselves will have an impact on what the media chooses to publish for one thing.

No point having right wing non dom billionaire media owners & donors and not give them something to get their teeth in to!

Personally I'd like to see the One Nationers take control but I'm not sure how many are left.

It's not a very ringing endorsement of Labour to say the Tories will be back within a decade, is it?

cakeorwine · 17/05/2023 20:47

Personally I'd like to see the One Nationers take control but I'm not sure how many are left

What happened to those decent Conservatives who got purged after Brexit?

Notonthestairs · 17/05/2023 20:49

For heavens sakes I'm not a Labour voter and I'm not likely to pretend that the shit storm they will inherit is going to be waved away. Public services, education, trade relationships, water, social care, housing, the list is huge.

Which is why the Conservatives can't run on their 13 year record.

MargotBamborough · 17/05/2023 20:49

jgw1 · 17/05/2023 20:45

Thank you for that post, it really made me laugh.

Do you understand why there are different laws around abortion in Northern Ireland?

SunnyEgg · 17/05/2023 20:50

MargotBamborough · 17/05/2023 20:30

It's a Mumsnet first for me.

Yeh it’s odd.

I think some posters get a little jumpy

DuncinToffee · 17/05/2023 20:51

MargotBamborough · 17/05/2023 20:44

Please please please don't tell me you're about to deny that this is Labour policy despite the fact that they have confirmed many times that it is, because the manifesto hasn't been published yet.

I am asking for a link so we can see what the policy actually states

Otherwise it is kind of hypothetical isn’t it?

Lonelycrab · 17/05/2023 20:52

I think some posters get a little jumpy

Well it is a thread about a NatC rally that’s going on😐

Sausagenbacon · 17/05/2023 20:54

This thread is spiralling to it's end.
If someone starts a new one as a continuation, could they please allow polling?
As this whole thread has been pursued by what looks like ten posters, it'd be interesting to see what others think.

MargotBamborough · 17/05/2023 20:55

DuncinToffee · 17/05/2023 20:51

I am asking for a link so we can see what the policy actually states

Otherwise it is kind of hypothetical isn’t it?

Good lord, that is priceless.

jgw1 · 17/05/2023 20:55

Sausagenbacon · 17/05/2023 20:54

This thread is spiralling to it's end.
If someone starts a new one as a continuation, could they please allow polling?
As this whole thread has been pursued by what looks like ten posters, it'd be interesting to see what others think.

I am pretty sure there have been more people posting than that.

SunnyEgg · 17/05/2023 20:55

Lonelycrab · 17/05/2023 20:52

I think some posters get a little jumpy

Well it is a thread about a NatC rally that’s going on😐

That’s fine but PMing and asking where to send books is odd

They need to take a breather if it’s getting to them

Sausagenbacon · 17/05/2023 20:55

And I really can't believe that there are posters on here who won't admit that Self-id isn't Labour policy.

ToWhitToWhoo · 17/05/2023 20:57

MargotBamborough · 17/05/2023 20:43

What is your point?

My point is that restriction of reproductive rights is a danger even in this country.

Not to the same extent as in the USA -and even in the USA iit varies between states- but one should not be complacent about such things.

I was complacent in 2010, and 'pro-life' extremists helped to get my MP (who was probably also complacent) defeated, and gloated over it. One MP out of 650? - perhaps, but the constituency is a generally liberal one. Since then, I try not to be paranoid, but I do try to be vigilant.

MargotBamborough · 17/05/2023 20:58

It would be a much better use of their time to write to their Labour MPs/candidates and beg them to reconsider their position on self ID.

jgw1 · 17/05/2023 21:00

MargotBamborough · 17/05/2023 20:58

It would be a much better use of their time to write to their Labour MPs/candidates and beg them to reconsider their position on self ID.

Do you have a link to Labour's position on self ID to help us with this endeavour?

MargotBamborough · 17/05/2023 21:00

ToWhitToWhoo · 17/05/2023 20:57

My point is that restriction of reproductive rights is a danger even in this country.

Not to the same extent as in the USA -and even in the USA iit varies between states- but one should not be complacent about such things.

I was complacent in 2010, and 'pro-life' extremists helped to get my MP (who was probably also complacent) defeated, and gloated over it. One MP out of 650? - perhaps, but the constituency is a generally liberal one. Since then, I try not to be paranoid, but I do try to be vigilant.

Abortion was illegal in Northern Ireland because it falls within a policy area that is devolved, and the NI Assembly is run by people who believe God put all the fossils in the ground to trick people into believing in evolution.

The UK parliament is not taking its lead on abortion policy from the NI Assembly.

MargotBamborough · 17/05/2023 21:02

jgw1 · 17/05/2023 21:00

Do you have a link to Labour's position on self ID to help us with this endeavour?

No Way Wtf GIF by Harlem

You have got to be kidding.

DuncinToffee · 17/05/2023 21:02

MargotBamborough · 17/05/2023 20:55

Good lord, that is priceless.

Well, do you have a link to the actual policy you are so worried about?

TooBigForMyBoots · 17/05/2023 21:04

MargotBamborough · 17/05/2023 20:45

If you're concerned about that third one then I have some bad news for you about Labour. They don't think the Tories have gone far enough.

Some Tories don't think the Tories have gone far enough either. That party is riddled with TRAs, including the ticking timebomb that is Jamie Wallis and he/she/they are primed to go off while still in power.

A Labour government is a currently a hypothetical thing. I am concerned with the people in power now and this Tory government has a proven record for destroying women's rights, human rights, education, the NHS and the economy. Their a bunch of chaotic, shambolic, corrupt, lying, swivel eyed loons. And they still have another year of fucking things up before they're put in the bin.

Sausagenbacon · 17/05/2023 21:04

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Notonthestairs · 17/05/2023 21:05

Cates told the Telegraph she cried when Sunak introduced his (admittedly imperfect) childcare policy. She's described it as unconservative and the policy she has been most troubled by over the last three years. Given the policy announcements over the last three years I find that surprising but there we are.

She then gives a speech about the need for more domestic births and incentivising women to stay at home. This incentivisation would presumably be in the form of tax breaks. I like to assume this would be available for all families not just "normative" ones but given the speeches were not recorded for public viewing who knows.

We have the third most expensive childcare in the world, vast energy costs, a housing crisis, mortgage rates hikes and food inflation. Returning to the workplace after two years may well prove extremely challenging. Add on another child - remember its our duty to keep producing given the falling birthrate is apparently the largest threat to Conservatives and Western Society! - and a further two year period away from work do we possibly think women will find it that much harder to move up?

Of course maternity leave legislation would need to be redrafted to preserve the right of return to two years otherwise that would render the policy largely useless for most.

Then there is the giant question of how massive those tax breaks need to be in order to persuade women to stay at home for two years.

And lastly why the bloody hell not offer tax breaks AND childcare reform?

Ideology. Thats why.
Its all very well saying it doesn't matter because they will be out of power.
But if Cates is the future of the Conservative party this is where she is headed.

jgw1 · 17/05/2023 21:05

MargotBamborough · 17/05/2023 21:02

You have got to be kidding.

No, standing by ready to write to the Labour candidate as soon as they are selected in my constituency to replace #dklemon who I note was sanctioned 3 years ago for attending a conference of the NatCs. You providing the link to Labour's self-ID policy will help my letter writing no end.

MargotBamborough · 17/05/2023 21:08

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If you can't win people over with intelligent arguments (because you haven't got any) just gaslight them instead, huh.

MargotBamborough · 17/05/2023 21:11

Notonthestairs · 17/05/2023 21:05

Cates told the Telegraph she cried when Sunak introduced his (admittedly imperfect) childcare policy. She's described it as unconservative and the policy she has been most troubled by over the last three years. Given the policy announcements over the last three years I find that surprising but there we are.

She then gives a speech about the need for more domestic births and incentivising women to stay at home. This incentivisation would presumably be in the form of tax breaks. I like to assume this would be available for all families not just "normative" ones but given the speeches were not recorded for public viewing who knows.

We have the third most expensive childcare in the world, vast energy costs, a housing crisis, mortgage rates hikes and food inflation. Returning to the workplace after two years may well prove extremely challenging. Add on another child - remember its our duty to keep producing given the falling birthrate is apparently the largest threat to Conservatives and Western Society! - and a further two year period away from work do we possibly think women will find it that much harder to move up?

Of course maternity leave legislation would need to be redrafted to preserve the right of return to two years otherwise that would render the policy largely useless for most.

Then there is the giant question of how massive those tax breaks need to be in order to persuade women to stay at home for two years.

And lastly why the bloody hell not offer tax breaks AND childcare reform?

Ideology. Thats why.
Its all very well saying it doesn't matter because they will be out of power.
But if Cates is the future of the Conservative party this is where she is headed.

I mean, if that's the case then there are an awful lot of women on Mumsnet who would agree with Cates.

I couldn't believe all the moaning and negativity I saw on here when Sunak announced his childcare policy.

Schrodinger's Tories. Want to force women to go back to work and put their children in nursery. Also want to stop women from going to university and force them to stay at home with their many children.

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