To this is fucking dangerous and why we must get the Tories out?

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This:

nationalconservatism.org/national-conservatism-a-statement-of-principles/

Look at the speakers;

nationalconservatism.org/natcon-uk-2023/

How can anybody who has studied any history whatsoever vote for this?

Are living in some kind of shit, TV movie about the fall of the UK?

If you’re sick of women discussing their rights well tough really.

Be sick of it all you like it won’t do much.

Although you’re in good company with Lammy, Drakeford and Starmer.

Plenty of silencing tactics you can steal from them.

@MargotBamborough My last paragraph was a generalisation, as well you should realise.
You certainly appear to be a very staunch defender of the Conservatives though.

As for Creasy, i don't agree with her at all but i'm not medically trained, so i don't know if a woman can be born with a penis or not, i'd imagine that in terms of birth defects anything can happen but as i said, i don't know.

What i do believe is that a man can never become a woman or vice versa, i don't wish to outlaw or punish but TW can't compete in female sport and neither should they be sent to female prisons or female DV refuges etc etc etc

What i do care about is funding for womens spaces and that has been slashed under the Tories, its something close to my heart, the lack of DV is shocking, easily resolved, Rishi could fund it himself and not notice.

But they wont and the real question is why not?

At least she checked her facts first. Unlike you who stated that you know for a fact what is in an unwritten, unpublished manifesto.🙈

>enters thread about the Tories
>sees endless "but Labour tho"
>

You know they wouldn't be able to use Labour's attitude towards women against them if Labour didn't have such an awful attitude towards women, right?

I don't understand why some people get angry with women for calling out Labour for their views on women's rights, rather than getting angry with Labour for having those views in the first place.

The party can only be changed from the inside. And only by enough people who are actually left wing and actually want to vote Labour - and ideally are Labour members - saying, "Hang on a minute, guys. You can't call women "dinosaurs" for wanting single sex spaces."

Instead of derailing the thread, perhaps those who are so concerned about gender identity politics could start their own thread, or use one of the many Conservative-generated threads on the FWR board.

We're well aware this is how the Conservatives plan to fight the next election. It's a pity they're reduced to doing so in absence of any positive achievements from their time in government.

Funny how much Labour voters only want to hear similar views

I don’t care either way, everyone should vent away

At least she checked her facts first. Unlike you who stated that you know for a factwhat is in an unwritten, unpublished manifesto
It was in the previous manifesto - not that long ago. With no indication from Labour that they've changed their stance.

The Conservatives shouldn't be ABLE to fight the election on the basis that they know what a woman is, because nobody in their right mind who is serious about winning an election should be pretending that they don't know what a woman is!!!

Yeah it's absolutely wild that people now appear to be pretending that self ID isn't a long stated Labour policy.

I have no issue with people discussing women's rights and trans rights on a thread specifically about those issues. This thread is about the discomfort people feel about the presence of Tory ministers at a conference that a Tory MP was reprimanded for attending three years ago. Yet people are endlessly derailing.

I see posters discussing it with each other it’s obviously current in politics

You may as well just post what you want to say than try to order the threads. I don’t think posters need permission

Yes and they also don't the uncomfortable truths about how their party has destroyed female rights, be it in health, education, benefits, female junior sport.... the list just goes on.

I'd love to hear about a list of achievements they can be proud of? 13 years is of course a very long time to be in Govt.... instead of the endless whine "...but Labour..."

It's a thread in which it has repeatedly been suggested that the Tories are a threat to women's rights.

We are calling it out for what it is. A weak distraction tactic by the Labour faithful who know that Labour's appalling misogyny is what is stopping many of us voting for them.

Like shouting, "Look! A squirrel!"

It's a thread in which it has repeatedly been suggested that the Tories are a threat to women's rights

Its not a threat or even a promise, they've removed and watered down female rights.

Which rights specifically have they removed?

Many of the speakers listed on this event do not consider themselves to be far right.

The term ‘far right’ is bandied about so much, typically as a slur, in order to discredit anything a person deemed as such, has to say. This is now used actually regardless of their political stance or frankly any stance on any given topic.

What do people actually consider to be ‘far right’ these days? Rather than as a slur to shut down any sort of discussion and to try and project your own virtue.

Shutting down discussion you don’t agree with leads to fascism.

A person can actually have opinions that fall across the wide political spectrum and still have something valuable to say. Or maybe, some of them are ‘far right’, but, perhaps, just perhaps they are still worthy of listening to for all sorts of reasons.

It is so incredibly depressing to watch people constantly argue about de-platforming or shutting down debate. This attitude is why society is struggling and politicians end up conforming to this faux progressive nonsense.

Shutting down discussion you don’t agree with leads to fascism

Agree completely. Which is why what happened at the coronation was so disturbing, as is the legislation that enabled it.

I don't agree with deplatforming either. But along with the freedom for people to express their views comes the right of other people to be alarmed by them and to condemn their veiws. I am alarmed by Braverman and her ilk and condemn their views.

One of the qualifiers to being far right, in my view, is espousing conspiracy theories that are rooted in anti-semitism. For example, cultural Marxism.

They won't be able to fight it on the basis that they know what a woman is because it isn't true for many of them. Indeed one Tory thinks he's becoming a woman. He's growing his hair and everything.

Oh and the ones who do know what a woman is think that we are the sex who are easily denied rights.

The Tories hate women.

National Conservatism has been labelled as far right because of the use of far right tropes in many of their speeches in this conference and previous ones.
Cultural Marxism being one.
It is based on a conspiracy theory that Marxist scholars in Frankfurt who were mainly Jewish devised progressive policies intended to undermine western democracy.
Globalism has been used similarly in the past.
Nobody should be naive about the use of those terms.

It's why Daniel Kawczynski was reprimanded and forced to apologise 3 years ago. The Conference was described as far right then (not surprising given Orban gave a speech) and Jewish groups complained.

Way to miss the point.

If nobody was pretending not to know what a woman is, nobody could have this used against them.

Is Rebecca Long-Bailey far right then? Because that's what she was sacked for.

I haven't missed any point @MargotBamborough. The Tories hate women. They've made it clear in the 13 years they've been in government and they've made it clear at the Nat-Con conference.

Why are you defending them?