To this is fucking dangerous and why we must get the Tories out?

[dontlookbackyourenotgoingthatway]

This:

nationalconservatism.org/national-conservatism-a-statement-of-principles/

Look at the speakers;

nationalconservatism.org/natcon-uk-2023/

How can anybody who has studied any history whatsoever vote for this?

Are living in some kind of shit, TV movie about the fall of the UK?

I simply do not agree.

Firstly, the OP’s post is definitely hyperbolic and not just ‘expressing a little concern’. They are suggesting these people are dangerous (for having opinions!) and on that basis we must get the tories out.. Dramatic!

Also you’re now stating that various Tory MP’s are ‘far right’ and of course anyone branded (yep, it’s not a fact!) ‘far right’ must be stopped at all costs. It’s so reductive and leads only to shutting down discussion on a wide range of topics.

I used to believe that being left wing meant being open minded and thinking with a progressive outlook, but these days it just seems to be people like yourself, name-calling people ‘far right’ like it’s a fact and using Sky News (!) as evidence of said facts.

Until we start listening to a wide range of opinions and stop promoting polarisation and throwing slurs when people have differing opinions on things then the tragedy is, nothing will actually change.

@MargotBamborough up until February were trans women ever in female
prisons ?
Has Lisa Nandy ever been in government ?
@SunnyEgg nope not stalking but your stance of accusing lefties of sneering constantly is reminiscent of someone who always rocks up on threads critical of the government with some bland anodyne rebuttal....

@Fencebreaker so calling MPs out for using well known anti semitic terminology is hyperbolic ? Maybe tell the Jewish board of Deputies that when they complained about Bravermann spouting the same claptrap a few years ago..or the Jewish Chronicle being understandably concerned about this kind of rhetoric.

Oh well lucky them you’re following them so closely

I’m sure they think your posts are tip top if not a bit stalkery

Maybe search them up if so keen.

https://conservativehome.com/2023/05/09/can-national-conservatism-adapt-from-america-to-britain/

Looks like they have big plans.

Er, yes they were.

And Lisa Nandy will very likely be in the next government, so her view that vulnerable women should be locked up with male rapists is pretty alarming.

Doh - we probably should vote Tory for the simple reason the OP thinks it’s a bad idea!!!

Sometimes the only response is 🤦‍♀️

Luckily the UK is very different to the USA. Peoples lives aren’t defined by their politics. They would be shot down in flames by the majority.

No, they wont but MN is also read by people who don't post...

Silencing women? Labour have around twice as many female MPs as the Cons.... how is that going to work?

Yep, very strange.

In any case, the same few posters have been very active in this discussion. I couldn't say who had posted the most without counting which I'm not going to do because I'm not a weirdo.

So what?

Look how they have treated their only female MP willing to stick her neck out on women's rights.

They get locked up in womens prisons right now!

Even with the latest utterings, only TW not convicted of a violent offence wont be sent to a female prison... how reassuring.

No mention of those already in female prisons or tbh any concern of the 1000s of women denied access to a DV refuge or the fact Tories introduced a benefit cap that effectively taxed safe rooms in their houses and decided to punish children and mums if they had too many kids!

But its the Tories that will protect women !

No one in RL believes this, not even hardened Tory party members like my cousin, she told me today she resigned from the Tory party, a woman i always thought would bleed blue if she ever cut herself.

There were a lot of decent Tories up until the 2019 election. Johnson got rid of them all. Slowly but surely the far right has crept in and now wants to take over the party. Braverman is far right. You can say she is not so as much as you like, but she is.

using Sky News (!) as evidence of said facts

That Sky new did state the facts of what happened. Was Sky left wing in 2019? 🤣

That Sky news piece...

Ha. Posters seem a bit annoyed their Labour love in isn’t a closed door system

But they can’t really be worried what we post will influence anyone

Why so jumpy over a different point of view

I read theirs, I don’t agree but we can all post

Plenty of female Lab MPs stick their neck out to protect women, you need to keep up but do Labour get it right? no of course not, especially under Corbyn.

they are however, willing to try and learn, unlike the Tories, whose ans is to head further to the extremes.

Why do so many women campaign and stand for Labour if they are sooooo very bad?

I'm not sure "the Tories are almost as bad as Labour on this issue" is a particularly compelling argument.

The Tories are now taking a slightly tougher line on this stuff if only because they've figured out it's a vote winner.

Frankly, I don't care who started putting men in women's spaces, or when, or why, I want to know who is going to put a stop to it.

I hope so. But it's a well financed and growing movement, with mainstream politicians on board.

Rosie Duffield does. Any others?

Most Labour MPs don't seem willing to learn anything from women at all. They just think we are stupid bigoted dinosaurs and that they know best. It's insulting.

As for why, I don't know. Ask Stella Creasy why she was so bothered about female MPs not getting maternity leave or being allowed to breastfeed their babies in the house of commons when she thinks someone with a penis can be female and could therefore simply have outsourced these tasks to her partner. I have no idea why she suddenly knows who is female and who is not when she's experiencing sex discrimination but is prepared to pretend she doesn't understand these things the rest of the time and throw the rest of us under a bus for woke points.

@MargotBamborough Err if your going to quote me, can it be something i wrote, rather than something you just made up?

I never said the Tories are almost as bad, you aren't even close, perhaps you have answered a different poster?

No of course you don't care who started putting men in female prisons because that would involve criticising your own party, which have not announced anything at all in ending it and removing those already there.

Those on the right would have more credibility if they could ever accept their party gets it wrong sometimes.

Well you just made up the fact that I am apparently a Tory voter who can't cope with any criticism of the Tories, despite the fact that I've never voted Tory in my life have have spent most of the last 13 years criticising them.

Yes, I agree that these things have happened on the Tories' watch. But our choice is between the Tories, who have finally cottoned on to the fact that this is an important issue to many of us, and Labour, whose stated policies are to make the situation even worse than it currently is.

Rock and hard place, eh?

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply you were part of the TDS (although I can see they are very active on this thread) but reading back my post I can see it comes across that way.

I was just trying to say that the reason many posters express frustration / anger / dismissiveness, when someone tries to discuss Labour's potential impact on women's rights on this type of thread, is because the TDS are constantly using it as part of their deflection campaign and most of us are sick of it.

Oh, god. Please start a separate thread about whatever issues ypu have with trans people. There is plenty of space on this site to dicuss the subject.

I haven't suggested voting Labour. I've never voted for them and I'm not asking anyone else to. Did you miss my post upthread where I said that?

Just because someone opposes the Tory party, it doesn't make them Labour voters. You are an example of that yourself.