To this is fucking dangerous and why we must get the Tories out?

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This:

nationalconservatism.org/national-conservatism-a-statement-of-principles/

Look at the speakers;

nationalconservatism.org/natcon-uk-2023/

How can anybody who has studied any history whatsoever vote for this?

Are living in some kind of shit, TV movie about the fall of the UK?

I would imagine going to school hungry and unwashed is pretty soul destroying.

Right. So she said that having a home, a secure job and support from your family, community and nation ARE conditions to starting a family, but so is having hope for the future.

I mean, I'm not so sure she is right about that, given that many people in fact do start families despite not fulfilling those conditions, but if we consider those things to aspire to, I'm not sure why what she has said is so very bad.

Also still waiting on that evidence that she said women should have less education.

“Many graduates are saddled with debt, and so are unable to afford to buy a house and start a family."

“Spending so much time and money on education also makes it much more difficult, particularly for women, to decide when is a good time to pause and have children.”

So the inference is is that less time and money spent on education would be a good thing, particularly for women?

Sunak is finally realising that the gen pop have an insatiable appetite for getting stuff without earning it, and that no matter how much he gives away, that section of society will feel entitled to more and more and still vilify him

So true as posters on here take their bank deposits and complain in the next post he doesn’t understand

It’s been a bottomless pit since Johnson. Yes owing to Covid and war but still. The handouts have been plentiful.

There are a lot of really intelligent and interesting speakers listed on this event.

What is the problem?

Do you suggest we ban free speech?

That only left-wing events are allowed?

Your hyperbole comes across as quite immature.

Earlier I mentioned the legistlation passed by the Tory PM Johnson that allows government to strip British nationals of their citizenship. One of the groups disproportionately impacted by the legistlation is our Jewish population.

But, antisemitism, along with misogyny, racism and greed is OK for Tory voters as long as it comes from the Tories. The lack of foresight, historical knowledge and facts doesn't bother them. Apparently Government ministers and MPs spouting antisemitic, anti democratic and anti woman shite and making it policy is OK because Labour?

No, that's not what I take from that comment at all.

As much as I think it is deeply hypocritical for a Tory MP to warn about student debt and the huge cost of higher education when they are the ones who put the fees up to £9,000 per year, her overall point is not wrong. If you don't start working until you are well into your 20s, as is the case for most women who go to university, and then you are faced with the challenges of getting a well paid job and finding stable and affordable housing - and that's before we even get onto the subject of making a dent in that massive student debt - it is a problem that women who have been to university are struggling to achieve any kind of financial stability before the age they would ideally start having children. The biological clock is real, but very few professional women can afford to TTC in their 20s.

Most women who do TTC in their 20s are those who haven't done years of higher education, don't have student debts hanging over them, and don't expect to earn high salaries anyway.

I don't interpret this as her saying women shouldn't go to university.

And if that's really all you've got, then I would question why a certain other poster on this thread claimed she did say that, whilst also repeatedly denying that David Lammy never said men can grow a cervix because he didn't specifically use the verb "grow". Rather hypocritical, no?

How is that different to saying Labour's shortcomings don't matter because, "Look! Tories! Evil nasty Tories!"

Well, three years ago the Tories thought it unacceptable for MPs, let alone ministers , to attend NatCon conferences alongside far right figures. Now the Tories attending are those far right figures. You may think it acceptable, but many don't. It is not hyperbole to express a little concern.

news.sky.com/story/tory-mp-daniel-kawczynski-reprimanded-but-avoids-suspension-for-conference-talk-alongside-far-right-figures-11927858

Don't think anyone has actually said anything like that though, have they

Most women who do TTC in their 20s are those who haven't done years of higher education, don't have student debts hanging over them, and don't expect to earn high salaries anyway

I don't interpret this as her saying women shouldn't go to university

I think you really, really need to reread what you have written there.

Because the Tories are the government. They are the ones who have passed antisemitism, anti woman etc policies into UK law.

I forgot to mention made anti democratic policies. They've made them law too.

I don’t think that poster thinks what Labour have done or will do matters.

They are a shoe in of course but no ‘if they tell you who they are listen’ for Labour. Even with the anti women sentiment - dinosaurs, shrill bigots out and proud

Total blank face

Of course they have. This thread is supposedly about how the Tories, who according to most polls, will not be in power much longer, are a huge threat to women's rights (including our reproductive rights) because five of them attended this conference.

And yet when other posters point out that Labour, who most likely will be in power soon, have some worryingly anti woman policies which many of us are rightly concerned about, making their own position on women's rights very poor indeed, we are told to shut up, accused of being closest Tories (or worse) and asked not to derail this thread but leave it as the Tory bashing echo chamber it was intended to be.

I mean, if you want to just have a cosy little chat about how the Tories are going to ban abortion and everyone who cares about women's rights needs to vote the Tories out, without acknowledging any of Labour's shortcomings on women's rights, I'm not sure what you think the point of that is or what you hope to achieve.

"Get the Tories out because reasons and vote Labour because Labour are not the Tories" is not a tactic that has ever worked.

The only Labour leader to have won an election in most people's living memory is Tony Blair, and he certainly had more to offer than not being the Tories.

Listen, I have strongly criticised that policy of stripping dual nationals of their British citizenship. I think it's a terrible, discriminatory policy which casts the UK in a terrible light (even though other countries have done the same thing). And yes, technically it has implications for all Jewish people and the roughly 20% of British people who have or are entitled to Irish citizenship. (It's arguably a more anti-Irish policy than it is an antisemitic one, given the numbers involved.)

But the purpose of the policy was to be able to wash our hands of jihadists. I would be extremely surprised if a single British Jew is stripped of their citizenship in this way. So no, I don't agree that it is an antisemitic policy. A horrible, racist, discriminatory policy, yes, but not an antisemitic one.

And I think if you are going to accuse people of antisemitism you need to make sure your own hands are completely clean first. Starmer has gone some way towards addressing Labour's antisemitism problems, which is to be applauded, but they're not there yet.

Yes...I mean, what?! 😁

But it is a problem.

When I was 22 I thought about going back to university to do medicine, but I realised they graduating at 29 would most likely complicate my plans to have children. My male friend who did exactly that had no such worries because he didn't have to worry about his ovarian reserve.

Pointing out this rather obvious fact is not saying that women shouldn't go to university. Obviously, having identified the problem, it would be better if Miriam Cates followed it up by suggesting what could be done to help young women achieve more financial security in the relatively short time available to them between graduating and getting pregnant, or if she joined the dots between the Tories trebling tuition fees and 28 year olds being in mountains of debt.

Anyway, as I said before, you cannot simultaneously choose to interpret this comment as Miriam Cates saying women shouldn't go to university AND deny that David Lammy thinks men can grow a cervix. Either you adopt a completely literal approach to what someone has said, or you read between the lines. But doing one when it suits you and the other when it suits you, whilst criticising anyone with a different interpretation of what has been said, is stunningly hypocritical.

As far as I am concerned, whining about Labour at the moment is akin to refusing to get into a lifeboat as the Titanic is sinking because you don't like the seating arrangements.

If your problem with the seating arrangements was that a hungry shark was sitting in one of them, perhaps.

As far as I'm concerned, choosing labour at the moment is like jumping out of a very uncomfortable frying pan and landing straight in the fire.

What have I said about Lammy and growing cervixes?

They’ll be in next though according to most posting here

Any issues with their take on women?

Happy to be a shrill, bigoted, dinosaur or is being a non whining Labour loyalist more important

Actually you probably don’t need to answer second question

Not you, there's a very tedious poster on this thread who claimed that Miriam Cates said women shouldn't go to university but repeatedly denied that David Lammy thinks a man can grow a cervix despite there being a video clip of him saying basically that.

Let's think about Sunak to start

• Increase minimum wage by 10.1%
• Increase state pension by 10.1%
• Increase benefits by 10.1%
• Give everyone at least £400 towards energy bills.
• Give those on benefits £1000+, pensioners even more, towards energy bills.
• Capped energy prices for consumers at great cost to the state.
• Increased income taxes dramatically to pay for the additional socialism.

TBH increasing benefits and NMW by less than inflation is hardly amazing! (inflation went above 11%)
Even with some quite poor energy support, we all saw prices increase by over 100%
Pensioner benefits are so low that failure to give money to help them would have meant many dying AND last year they scrapped the Triple lock so pensioners still worse off.

UK still pays the highest electricity prices in the world.

Where have these extra taxes gone? yes to pay our astronomical national debt interest, significantly increased by Truss.... it certainly hasn't gone on improving the state of our roads, NHS, schools AND we have the highest Tuition fees anywhere in the world.....

Furlough was generous but the fraud attached to it is terrible, yet no one jailed, monies not recovered.

For me, the Tories have had 13 years & have failed to improve anything at all, in fact, this country is in a far worse state than it was.... they ve squandered the opportunity to rebuild after Brexit, their trade deal is a disaster.... look at what the parent company of Vauxhall are saying?