To this is fucking dangerous and why we must get the Tories out?

[dontlookbackyourenotgoingthatway]

This:

nationalconservatism.org/national-conservatism-a-statement-of-principles/

Look at the speakers;

nationalconservatism.org/natcon-uk-2023/

How can anybody who has studied any history whatsoever vote for this?

Are living in some kind of shit, TV movie about the fall of the UK?

It is frustrating when the government of the UK is essentially decided by England. Or maybe the south east of England? I agree that we need PR. So there, we agree on something.

Well if Labour brought in PR they could pretty much guarantee that the Tories never win a majority again. Of course, Labour would also never win a majority again, but surely having to cooperate a bit with other parties and develop policies that voters actually want and actually govern competently whilst in power is a price worth paying, right?

Some on this thread only care about a certain flavour of anti-semitism.

I refer you to my earlier comment about irony.

I agree.

I’m not sold on PR but interesting to hear views

Didn’t we have a AV referendum in 2011 which lost?

I’m not sure Lib Dem’s would go there again in a coalition scenario

I think part of that was people punishing the Lib Dems for their betrayal.

Yes please.

AV is a different system though. It was the alternative system least likely to pose any threat to the Tories, which is why they agreed to hold a referendum on it. Nobody asked for AV.

The Lib Dems cocked up big time.

I can’t remember if I even voted

It seemed to be a low priority event, I only recall it now just due to googling

People did loathe the Lib Dems but they effectively lost the one big change they were after

Whether they’d repeat or learn from it idk

The Lib Dems should have said we'll have a vote on tuition fees AFTER the referendum on PR (not AV) and then abstained from the vote on tuition fees.

The conservatives are right wing, I don’t think that’s a secret.

I’m left of centre but enjoy listening to David Starkey, and Melanie Phillips always talks good sense.

Melanie Phillips always talks good sense

That a) made me laugh and b) made me realise I haven't heard much from her lately. Maybe because I don't watch QT these days.

Starkey said Sunak wasn't "fully grounded in our culture".

Quite an interesting article on the AV ref here. It feels like a long time ago now.

politicsteaching.com/2022/07/31/was-the-av-referendum-a-good-exercise-in-democracy-2/

Absolutely this.

Starkey has just said something that even the Nat cons felt to need to delete after they’d tweeted it.

Starkey and Philips. What a match for a left of centre listener. Who, hopefully, enjoys a laugh at their expense.

David Starkey on Nat C

David Starkey claims in his speech that Black Lives Matter "do not care about black lives", but "the symbolic destruction of white culture"

He adds that the Left "want to replace the Holocaust with slavery in order to wield its legacy as a weapon against Western culture"

https://twitter.com/DominicPenna/status/1658752308035952640?s=20

(Starkey's remarks were tweeted out by the conference but are now gone from its feed)

Hmm I wonder why the National Conservatism conference posted and deleted this racist and historically-illiterate tweet?

twitter.com/AyoCaesar/status/1658758234016980997?s=20

Doesn't surprise me.
I haven't forgotten his "pretty girl history" comments.

I suppose that since cultural Marxist and globalist are alt right for Jewish he might not have been on message enough for them.

Let's think about Sunak to start.

What has he done economically since becoming PM?

Main points:

• Increase minimum wage by 10.1%
• Increase state pension by 10.1%
• Increase benefits by 10.1%
• Give everyone at least £400 towards energy bills.
• Give those on benefits £1000+, pensioners even more, towards energy bills.
• Capped energy prices for consumers at great cost to the state.
• Increased income taxes dramatically to pay for the additional socialism.

He's literally done more socialism than the Labour party would have!

Then let's go to Johnson.

Main points:

• Locked down the entire country and actively prevented most people from working or being productive.
• Paid 80% salary to millions of people for up to 18 months.
• Paid for all of it by borrowing money.

This is but a fraction of the left-wing policies that the recent Conservatives and Labour have implemented.

Sunak is finally realising that the gen pop have an insatiable appetite for getting stuff without earning it, and that no matter how much he gives away, that section of society will feel entitled to more and more and still vilify him. So he's trying to reign things in at long fucking last and all of a sudden that section of society throw a tantrum and say he's right wing!

LOL is he right wing! Maybe in his personal life he is (smart man if so), but certainly not when it comes to politics!

Forecast for the UK in 2023/24 is £1189bn tax spending but only £1058bn tax income.

Only 5 years since 1971 have been "surplus". Rest are deficit years. We have one of the highest net debt as a % of income in the industrial world.

No government can claim to be right-wing if they cannot run the country for less than they take in tax.

At the same time we have the highest tax burden as a % of GDP since the 1960s, and in a couple of years will be the highest since WW2.

So what's the problem? Spending is out of control. We are more socialist and economically left-wing now than we have been since WW2.

Stats don't lie.

"Having a home, a secure job and support from your family, community and nation are not the only conditions to starting a family,” Cates (Tory MP) told the event in Westminster."

These people/ Tories are insane, it's about 95% conditionality for starting a family.

Was she saying otherwise?

“Having a home, a secure job and support from your family, community and nation are not the only conditions to starting a family,” Cates told the event in Westminster.

“You must also have hope for the future. And that hope is not reaching so many of our young people today, because liberal individualism has proved to be completely powerless to resist a cultural Marxism that is systematically destroying our children’s souls.”

Is what she raved said.

The lack of hope has nothing to do with the last 13 years of Tory government, of course.