To this is fucking dangerous and why we must get the Tories out?

[dontlookbackyourenotgoingthatway]

This:

nationalconservatism.org/national-conservatism-a-statement-of-principles/

Look at the speakers;

nationalconservatism.org/natcon-uk-2023/

How can anybody who has studied any history whatsoever vote for this?

Are living in some kind of shit, TV movie about the fall of the UK?

The US is a completely different country. You're comparing chalk with cheese.

A lot of student ID and travel passes weren't valid forms of ID.
Whereas a lot of pensioner ID and travel passes were.

@Reality25
The fall of the UK is the current trajectory of creeping ever-leftward,
Do you actually believe this?
After Thatcher, Blair (Thatcher lite) and 13 years of austerity and Tory misery, you actually think we're sliding to the left?
In my estimation we have moved waaaay to the right in the time since Thatcher - she smashed up the post-war consensus in which both parties had accepted that the state would have a role in provision of essential monopoly utilities and house building and we've been small-staters ever since.
It beggars belief anyone thinks we're sliding to the left so maybe you can elaborate.

Yes but pretty much all students will have a provisional driving licence even if they can't afford to drive or get a passport, because they need photo ID to get served alcohol.

Jacob Rees Mogg admitted the reforms around ID for voting were brought in to help the Tories win. When someone shows you what they are, believe them.

"Yes but pretty much all students will have a provisional driving licence even if they can't afford to drive or get a passport, because they need photo ID to get served alcohol."

Wouldn't they use free student ID or travel cards?

Yes, I agree with that.

Both are showing us who they are and both are appalling.

But I will vote for the one which commits to introducing PR so we have a hope in hell of one day having a government which is neither Tory nor Labour. Until that is on one of their manifestos, I'm spoiling my ballot.

No because they aren't accepted as valid proof of age for the purposes of buying alcohol. It has to be a driving licence or a passport.

Yes, and it's clear what it was otherwise student ID and bus pass types would have been just as acceptable as the pensioner ones and their bus type passes.
One fine, the other not. Hmmm.

When someone shows you what they are, believe them
Absolutely

When someone shows you what they are, believe them.

Like dinosaur, shrill and bigoted

You mentioned feeling misrepresented earlier and so I’ll ask directly and you can clear it up, do you think Labour hate women?

Which one would have been fine for the purposes of voting?

How long ago did Miriam Cates stand up for women's rights, just a few days ago she was advocating less education for girls so that the birth rate in the UK could be increased? When did she change her mind?
Could you please respond to what I said? Instead of veering off into whattaboutery? Can you deny that she spoke in the HoC to defend Womens Rights and was directly intimidated by a Labour MP, who wasn't censured. She had the courage to do that when mu Labour MP won't.

do you think Labour hate women
No
As a woman I'd feel a lot safer with them in charge than the Tories and all this far right shift shit

What is your opinion on David Lammy saying women who need single sex spaces are "dinosaurs who hoard rights"?

Your posts are not doing you any favours OP. You just post short single sentences and hope readers do all the work. You should be establishing your arguments and taking us on a journey. You probably have some good underlying intentions, but I cannot get past your laziness.

You really don't know which was fine and which wasnt?! Seriously?
Pensioners were.
Students weren't.

Well then how did it end up backfiring on the Tories? Don't all pensioners have bus passes?

Are you ok with shrill, bigoted rights-hoarding dinosaur?

I mean it’s fairly blatant on the ‘if people tell you who they are listen to them’ test

Bloody hell OP, shape up, you're not chatty enough for some. Perhaps they'll move on.

Try reading the link upthread.
Was genuinely surprised you didn't know which was OK and which wasnt, I mean if you're in the UK and a UK voter it was in the news.
Admittedly, maybe the Daily Mail not so much

Stop being sarky.

I must confess that voter ID is not really a hot topic for me given that voting is a pointless exercise for most people. The Tories will try to gerrymander by fiddling with constituency boundaries and requiring ID to vote, Labour will try to gerrymander by extending the vote to people they think are more likely to vote for them. Neither is interested in reforming the system so that parliament actually reflects the wishes of the electorate because then they would have to actually work to get into and stay in power, and they would have to compromise and work with other parties like actual adults due to the fact that we would have coalitions rather than majority governments.

In most other countries voter ID is required, but many of them have free ID cards which Brits have historically been against.

given that voting is a pointless exercise for most people.
Maybe for you, but definitely not for me and a lot of others.
Everyone I know in RL such as friends and family all feel strongly about getting out there and voting.

I feel strongly about voting. I just don't happen to vote in one of a small number of marginal constituencies where my vote might actually influence the outcome of an election.

A few people who attending Nat C conference being interviewed

https://twitter.com/LondonEconomic/status/1658497395972251649?s=20
"The UK has a thing or two to learn from the US."

"There's a kind of moral chaos in society."

@PoliticsJOE_UK went to find out what sort of people are attending the National Conservatism conference

A reminder that speakers at NatCon have:

• Repeatedly used the term 'Cultural Marxism' which is associated with antisemitism and the far-right
• Described the Nazis' actions as having "mucked up"
• Pushed the 'Great Replacement' conspiracy theory promoted by anti-semites.

Nothing to worry about?