To this is fucking dangerous and why we must get the Tories out?

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This:

nationalconservatism.org/national-conservatism-a-statement-of-principles/

Look at the speakers;

nationalconservatism.org/natcon-uk-2023/

How can anybody who has studied any history whatsoever vote for this?

Are living in some kind of shit, TV movie about the fall of the UK?

Given that children are currently being taught that whether you are a boy or a girl is a question of gender identity and not biology, I think some meddling is long overdue.

Which specific policies do you expect to see in a manifesto, and actioned?

i know I could work more easily when 30 hours came in, also that rather annoyingly public pressure for lockdowns harmed women more but the left were always more on the side of that.

Childcare is going to get less expensive

Can you say which policies we’ll see? I get not wanting this but I’m more able to work now than I was pre free hours so I am on the side of women working and being educated to high standard.

Plus Scotland under left seems to be lagging on education

No child I know has been taught that.

Don't worry.

If some of the Tories have their way and follow the Florida Governor who some of them love, trans people will be forced to use the toilets of the sex that's on their birth certificate or face potential jail, teachers will be forced to use the pronoun of trans pupils that's on their birth certificate, teachers won't be allowed to teach about LGBT issues in school, books will be banned that mention LGBT...

This is what the American right have done. Trying to make life much much harder for the LGBT community.

Oh - and abortion rights? No abortion after 6 weeks in Florida now.

Florida’s rightwing governor Ron DeSantis backs Kemi Badenoch’s ‘war on woke’ | Ron DeSantis | The Guardian

Some of DeSantis’s views would be considered far outside mainstream UK politics – he recently signed a law to ban abortion in Florida after six weeks of pregnancy, for example.
So-called parental rights legislation passed under his governorship has also led to the removal of hundreds of books from school libraries in the state.
DeSantis insists only books that are “pornographic, violent or inappropriate” have been banned, but some school districts have responded to the new laws by removing books including The Handmaid’s Tale by Margaret Atwood and Judy Blume’s Forever from circulation.
DeSantis won a landslide re-election to the governorship last year and describes his state as “where woke goes to die”.

So - you think that the Conservatives are ok because of their trans views. Have you thought about how some of them view LGB people, women and their place in society?

@MargotBamborough - I don't want any politician deciding what my children need to know.

Be it gender bullshit or baby making. But when I look at who did this and who is in charge, it's the Conservative Party.

They made this mess, they still aren't cleaning it up and now it's time to educate less?

Do you have kids? Or does anyone you care about?

And no one thinks there is.

This is not about born-men identifying as women. It's about born-women (who already have cervixes) identifying as men.

In any case, is it really more important than a policy of sending women back to the kitchen?

Lol, let's disband the DfE then...

I do have kids. I will not tolerate them being taught that they get to choose whether they are a boy or a girl.

Reform party.

I mean they probably have views on women, feminism, tackling sexism, abortion rights, legal aid, domestic violence, childcare, but I bet they are against trans people.

Did you watch the clip?

David Lammy literally said the very thing you are saying no one believes, on live radio.

He's not talking about trans men, ffs.

No you have it the wrong way round

This is the quote

Lammy: "...it's probably the case that trans women [born male] don't have ovaries, but a cervix..is something that you can have following various procedures, hormones and all the rest of it..."

It’s about males

Are you conflating pro woman and anti trans deliberately or accidentally?

@MargotBamborough - I educate my children privately. I do not want any gender bullshit or "girls get less".

It is possible to dislike both. Using my brain, I see all of this has come under the Conservatives.

They aren't changing it. They are using it. They are disgraceful.

Trans people don't generally choose how they present to the world.

Do you think they choose?
Or do you think it's much more complicated than that?

@jgw1 Here's the link to David Lammy claiming that you can get a cervix after various procedures;
''a cervix I understand is something that you can have following various procedures, hormone treatment, all the rest of it''.
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-herald-

https://twitter.com/joemac5367/status/1583105883856285697

Based on what's happening in Florida - there is a lot of anti trans stuff happening there.

Do you think Labour will be better for GC policies?

Given Lammy, Starmer, Drakeford recently why do you think they will be?

Why do I need to intepret what he said?

I am sure one of the several posters who said that Lammy has said that men can grow a cervix will be along very soon with the quote.

in the meantime, shall we talk about why the Tories slashed the Ministry of Justice budget, seem surprised that for rape convictions for instance have plummetted but some of their number simaltaneously want to ban abortion?

@MargotBamborough I've seen you in a few threads and I like the cut of your jib.

I think I would have liked to have gone to NatCon. Lots of very interesting people

Why does every politics thread come back to the same bloody issue?

Makes me wonder how much of society "GC"s are willing to throw under a bus for their point of view?

I would respect the Conservatives on this if a) they had not enabled this mess and b) they had addressed it.

I am a higher rate taxpayer who educates her children at a private school in part because of DfE policy. In the private sector, I don't have to deal with gender bullshit.

I am not happy about this but it's certainly better than having to rely on the State which is a mess and that mess belongs to the Conservatives

I see you.

Because we have general elections every five years and no one can predict how things will be at the GE after the imminent one, or what will be the mood of the UK electorate.

I didn't think the Tories would be dumb enough to make Johnson their leader or that the electorate would be stupid enough to vote for Brexit or that the US would be crazy enough to vote in Trump. So I don't rule anything out.

How lucky for you and your children that private education is an option for you.

I also dislike both, in case that wasn't clear.

But I don't expect to like the Tories.

I was looking forward to being able to vote Labour under Keir Starmer but now I feel unable to vote for anyone. Women's rights and child safeguarding are absolute red lines for me.

I've been wanting to get the Tories out for 13 years. But it's not my job to get the Tories out by voting Labour. (Not that it would make any difference in my constituency anyway.) It's Labour's job to get the Tories out by coming up with popular, achievable policies that a majority of voters support. I'm utterly appalled that they seem to care more about a tiny minority of rainbow flag shagging ideologues (including some actual convicted rapists) than they do about ordinary women and children.

They have forgotten who, and what, the Labour Party is for. That is why they are not in power.

They will win the next election by default because everyone is so sick of the Tories, and they will use that advantage to bring in policies which put women and children at risk, despite the fact that they must know a majority of people do not support these policies.

That is unforgiveable.

And I am certainly not going to vote Labour and then be told that I voted for all this stuff, just like all those remainers who voted Labour in the hopes of getting a soft Brexit or a second referendum only to be told that they were part of the 80% who voted to get Brexit done.

I'm sure they'll win, but they can do so without my help.

That's not the one where he says men grow cervixs though is it. We are still waiting for that particular one.

@SunnyEgg - I'm not going to vote Labour unless it means get rid of the Conservatives. My vote is up for grabs.

If someone makes a mess, they have an obligation to clear it up and get on with it, not game it.