to not want people to judge those who recieve benefits????

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Im a single mother of one,

i was working up until my DD (3) was born, rather than take a part time job that i knew i would always be stuck in i decided to get to college and study asubject that will lead me to a very hard working and well paid job so that i can fully support my DD in the future.

I hate recieving benefits and cannot wait untill i have finished my degree

Once i start at work i will be paying enough taxes in the future to more than cover the benefits ive recieved over the few yrs.

So why does everyone assume your a complete waste of space?? not all of us take advantage of the system!!!!

'Unless there is a reason you are physically unable to work, then you should have to.'

physically?

i am nodding in agreemwnt with these things about the jobcentre etc.i had to go a couple of weeks ago but was told to use the phones in the corner,which people were queing up to use.when i got a phone the number i had to ring was engaged constantly.it took 15 minutes to get through.

meanwhile the jobcentre staff were all standing around laughing and chatting(and presumable being paid to do so).clearly the goverment likes paying people to do nothing!

i'm going to kidnap xenia and force her to go in home bargains

or Lidl

"clearly the goverment likes paying people to do nothing!"

lol, that is so true. DP has a Connextions next to his shop and the staff do sweet FA most of the day. The so called 'manager' comes in about 9.30am and leaves about 2.30pm having spent most of the day out in the back car park smoking and talking on his phone!

Needmorecoffee, the point i was making was that disabled people work to meaning we should look up to these people for working despite their disabilty. This did no mean all disabled people should be working because most can't. I think you got the wrong end of the stick tbo.

work too

My friend works for Connexions and does 50 hour weeks. She works jolly hard, loves her work, and is very much in demand.

It is a shame if some people see public service as a sinecure- it's supposed to be about service. Teaching certainly isn't an easy ride at any level. I also have social worker friends who work very long hours for relatively little money, and make a real difference to some people's lives using very limited resources. None of them has a low IQ (many are Cambridge grads), but their desire to contribute overrrides their (lack of) desire for hard cash. I think they should be honoured for that, not pitied.

And Lidl is a fab shop- best place for getting yummy chocolate, antipasti, and German breakfast type food. Also had some wonderful Pomelos in just before Christmas.

My friend got made redundant from his job at the jobcentre ?!

needless to say they didn't find him a new job

quote of the year
"I would ignore xenia tbh. She has to scrub herself with a wire brush whenever she drives past a co-op, let alone shop in one " [fio]

sorry duchesse. I wasn't saying teachers etc didn't work hard but the majority of civil servants that work in offices that dp and i have come into contact with have all been useless, over paid waste of spaces. Dp's best friend works for the council in an office and the work he does compaired to my dp (who does hands on physical labour) is laughable. In my experience alot just pass the buck and blame you for their mistakes like losing paperwork etc.

This is just as true in the higher echelons of burocracy too, look at all the lost data, suspects, criminals, donations, expense forms..

I think the difference between the public and private sectors with respect to laziness and fuckups is

1. Fewer entrenched employment rights in private sector
2. less Public accountability
3. more incentive to do job properly with respect to pay

This means that fuckups in the private sector (which of course happen as well) do no hit the media, are generally blamed on someone junior and are easily dealt with by sacking, whereas sacking a public servant is a quite a faff really.

fwiw, my husband is a world class scientist on a laughable public sector wage. Only probity and enthusiasm keeps him from defecting. So public sector not all bad...

What pisses me off the most is when you take the time out to fill in your form and post it and then a month later get a letter/or a phone call from some twerp in an office saying "i'm sorry madam but we don't have your form here, it's been 'miss placed'." Or they just deny having it and they then expect YOU to do all their leg work for them. They can't blame the post office for everything...

I would say the converse is true, the problem with collectivism and the Gov is that no one is responsible when things go wrong. The key difference in the private sector is that the objective is to make money therefore you have to efficient, whereas the attitude to the public sector is that it is 'free money' and no one is held to account when it is wasted. The Gov regularly waste billions of 'free money'.

there's always plenty more where that came from.. just put up taxes

It's like hospitals, no one person is responsible about how clean the hospital is..I complained about mine and no one is interested it is always someone elses responsibility. In the end my complaint was written in my notes ?!

i would like to make a distinction

between PS employees

and anyone remotely connected with people on benefits.

firstly the latter only come into REGULAR contact with the shitheads trying to run a scam.

this is because most people who have toclaim benefits arn't on their radar

so when you areo n their radar - they treat you like shit becuase 90% of their job is alking to the MINORITY who can't be fucked getting a job, lie to get housing or benefits or both.

you pull a ticket wait for a number with three screaming kids beucase they sent your form back leaving you pennyless - and they did this becuase two birth dates were the same on the form.

they assumed i was a fucking fuckwit who didn't know the dates my children were born

so why - do you think that i have twochildren born on the same date?

and then they talk to you like shit. put you in an envoronment that is like an eastern european detention centre, make you wait for fucking ages. are usually incompetant and devoid of sympathy or empathy, the rules govern common sense ( see above)

bbut yeah - fucking love being on the bones of my arse with no hope, no prospects being looked down on like a piece of shit by the likes of people on this thread - yeah - great days those were.

it did its job - it was a safety net.

and stupid argument like " well we dont mean people like you we mean people who come into this country and take all the jobs

...they dont take the benefits - they are in the EU and are entitled to work here - its not their fault - its who you vote for that makes these decisions

or they come her e taking benefits

i think you will find if you take more than a gnats piss of a second to research that to qualify for benefits in the UK is a very difficult process. and every fucker from all over the world arn't coming here and claiming benefits.

all you are doing is perpetuating a myth that there are large sections of society who can't be fucked.

and thats just shit

rebelmum you need to contact a hospital administrator rather than a doctor or nurse and ask for a copy of the official complaints policy

then youneed to make two complaints

1. about the cleaning

and get a seperate form about
2) how mo-one has knowledge about the complaints system

Custardo I just wanted them to clean up the sick off the floor, empty the overflowing bin, remove the mucus from the bedside table along with the pissy pants in the cupboard .. How the doctor is happy to go into a ward and ignore the state of it without flagging it to the ward sister is beyond me and makes them just as culpable in my mind..

but then it's not the ward sister it's the administrator and them you have to wait 3 months for a response.. Process is the exact opposite to action.

Ok Fio i take your point, not all absent fathers are living the life of riley but certainly in the case of my DDs absent father he is living it!!

Custardo, I totally agree!

Dh has just returned from signing on totally pissed off with the idiot ss officer he has just had to deal with:

Q1- the hours you've put down that you're willing to work are unreasonable. WTF! He's open to anything from 5am to 7pm, he works in haulageand as anyone with half a brain knows, 9-5 does not exist when behind the wheel of an artic.

Q2- Why are you not willing to do nights. Because I have 2 children under 4, and a new baby due any day. It would be impossible to get enough rest and within a month I would be a danger on the road, if not already having had/caused an accident. That apparantly is not good enough for them, and while he is available for a 14 hour window mon-fri, which is unreasonable, to work nights without adequate sleep is.

Not in my book... Are the people absolutly devoid of common sense? Do they deliberatly go out of their way to humioliate/belittle/treat us claiments like dirt?

Yes it's a saftey net, and it means fuel bills,rent and food are paid for, but for people who are not scamming the system (most of us) it causes stress, misery, and destroys our self esteem and confidence.