The WHO want your four year old to be taught about masturbation and gender identity

[GrabbyGabby]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/05/13/outrage-over-who-advice-on-sexuality-for-infants/

This is where queer theory gets you. Women have been sounding the alarm on the consequences of the promotion of queer theory in all realms of life. This is what it looks like when applies to sex ed for very young children.

So, before you dismiss people like me as modern day Mary Whitehouses, just take a read and ask yourself why? What problem is this solving? Why do very young children need to be taught about sex and sexual pleasure? Are they benefiting, if not, who is?

(article behind a paywall, but there is a trick that will allow you to read it. A quick google should tell you).

This is very concerning because the "research" that makes these kinds of statements is based on sexual abuse of children, reported as though they were willing participants. The Kinsey files have not been released in full and they should be.

Moreover, Wales seems to have swallowed these lines and they seem to underpin RSE in Wales, where you cannot withdraw your child.

Very very worrying all round.

I wasn't aware of the research. Will do a bit more digging into that.

And parents who object to this are being branded bigots and prudes.

It is all kinds of wrong.

I agree with you fwiw.

Disgusting.

The ages 0-4 table in the article doesn't contain any of that though. That preview image in your OP doesn't seem to be included in the telegraph's article at all in fact. So what ages is that for?

Bearing in mind this is the same telegraph that just the other day claimed a teacher was fired for not using pronouns (which was false, she was fired for breaching security and confidentiality) I am going to withhold judgement until I see more information.

Yeah... I'm in Wales and they recently made sex and relationship mandatory for all ages. There were a lot of alarmist headlines about children of 3 and 4 being taught about gender identity and gay sex.

They are not.

The lessons for my reception aged child are entirely age appropriate and are about being kind, making friends, and how to resolve conflict if you have a falling out in your friend group. There's nothing about sex until they are much, much older. There's a bit about families sometimes looking different (single parents, same sex parents, people being adopted, biracial families) next year. But it is all very reasonable and age appropriate.

I have screenshot the 0-4 bit from the Telegraph. It doesn't mention masturbation or sexual pleasure.

I respect your caution. There has been so much alarmism. But this is not a drill.

The WHO guidance also says that children aged four and under should be taught about “enjoyment and pleasure when touching one’s own body, early childhood masturbation”

The advice proposes that four-to-six year olds should be taught to “talk about sexual matters” and “consolidate their gender identity”.

You are giving misinformation. 4 year olds will not be taught about any of the things you suggest.

Going to spend some time reading the full guidance, as I agree, it is sensible to be cautious on this topic. But the quotes above are direct quotes.

I posted about this about a year ago. I was basically called a nutter and even a paedophile for not wanting my daughter to be taught this filth.

Also for more info visit www.publicchildprotectionwales.org. They have been fighting this for years.

I’m in favour of this. The Netherlands and Denmark have long introduced this level of sex education from the age of four, primarily in order to develop the skills to protect themselves against coercion, intimidation and abuse. The introduction to violent and extreme pornography available to children has been filtering lower and lower for a decade of more. Like it or not, children do start experiencing sexually charged scenarios from a very, very young age - I have two five year olds and I have no problem whatsoever in them being taught the building the blocks to understand this and themselves. The number of adults who do not even understand the basics of this subject is woeful - perhaps if they had been educated far earlier (and they didn’t even grow up with the internet) then we might have a society of more sexually confident, respectful and knowledgeable people.

I would be calling the police if I found out adults were teaching my 4 year old to masturbate.
Why the need to push this onto kiddies barely out of babyhood.
Are they not allowed to enjoy an innocent childhood anymore?

Check p51 onwards here:

safeschoolsallianceuk.net/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Comprehensive-Sexuality-Education-A-Review-of-UNESCO-and-WHO-Standards.pdf

The links are there.

I really don't think small children need to know about masturbation.

Interesting @Didimum@Didimum.@Didimum

I agree extreme porn is a massive problem, and people do not understand coercive control nearly enough.

I am not sure how teaching very small kids about masturbation and gender identity helps.

My starting point would be tougher regulation on porn, and being very clear about how harmful it is to women and girls. And showing how mens sexual expectations are built around material that routinely shows violence and agression as a normal part of sex.

https://www.thejournal.ie/factcheck-ireland-children-sex-education-curriculum-masturbation-5158825-Jul2020/

This outlines the facts.

No-one is teaching your 4 year old to masturbate for Christ's sake

Let's hope not! The government has already said they are not taking up many of the recommendations.

But if places like the World Health Organisation are promoting RSE that is raising flags, then the more sunlight the better.

Safe Schools Alliance are about as informed as you can get on this specific issue, so hopefully, if they have time to comment, they can clarify.

Especially as AIBU reaches more mumsnetters than any other board.

@2fallsfromSSA

No child should be being taught that they either have or must pick a 'gender identity'

It's an entirely feelings based religious belief to claim some sort of inner gender essence. There is no evidence of it.

Or it's a diagnosable mental health issue called dysphoria/body dysmorphia, and actively encouraging children to dissociate from their sexed body is child abuse.

The WHO are absolutist nutters. I remember recently they “advised” that women of child bearing age should never drink any alcohol, ever.

I never see these types of decrees being targeted at men. I’m donning my hard hat but can’t help but feel since Covid they have got a bit drunk on their perceived sense of power.

This is normalising abuse of children. So many have now become de sensitized to it. You can can see it in the responses saying yeah but, no but. Oh well, if you don’t mind minor attracted persons aka peadophiles grooming your children, go for it. Fill your boots. Cue the outrage about conspiracy theories. It’s not like some of this isn’t happening in schools already.

What, even when they're not pregnant or breastfeeding?

The WHO document is from 2010, it’s not new and it’s not setting out a new sex ed curriculum for the UK. The WHO recommends Children 0-4 should be given information about their body and normal touching etc but doesn’t say it should be taught and it doesn’t say by teachers or in schools. It means having a conversation with children within normal contexts as they arise, so if your child comments they touched their body (as pre-schoolers can and do) you respond in an age appropriate but non-shaming way that reassures them it’s okay and normal. It’s about having those conversations in age appropriate ways from the beginning rather than shutting down any body talk down until they’re older.