The WHO want your four year old to be taught about masturbation and gender identity

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/05/13/outrage-over-who-advice-on-sexuality-for-infants/

This is where queer theory gets you. Women have been sounding the alarm on the consequences of the promotion of queer theory in all realms of life. This is what it looks like when applies to sex ed for very young children.

So, before you dismiss people like me as modern day Mary Whitehouses, just take a read and ask yourself why? What problem is this solving? Why do very young children need to be taught about sex and sexual pleasure? Are they benefiting, if not, who is?

(article behind a paywall, but there is a trick that will allow you to read it. A quick google should tell you).

Why do people keep repeating this nonsense? What do they get out of it?

But we have to be kind, while our children's safety and our ability to organise as women (real, XX ones) is eroded.

I think the UK is slowly waking up to this OP.

Okay so the link I found above is from IMEC, a US based NGO that fights child sexual exploitation, and there is no context for it. Perhaps in settings where child prostitution is common, it is necessary to give some kids more detail in order to help them understand and set more appropriate boundaries. Sad it’s needed :(

The WHO website has this Guidance on from 2018, which has many sensible suggestions, including making the difference between sex and gender clear, gender inequality and stereotypes. Impact of culture. Nothing age inappropriate.

Hands off your children?
That's the whole point.
It's giving children the tools to tell a trusted adult when someone touching them inappropriately is happening, to keep them safe.
You should ask your niece when she started masturbating, since you trust everything she says.
You may be surprised by her answer.

No-one on this thread has said "be kind".

They are saying don't be a gullible fool.

I read, in my teens, a book by AS Neill, the founder of a progressive school, Summerhill, in the 1930s, where kids did more or less whatever they liked. Like the trendy 'free schools' of the 1970s. He told how a father of a boy said 'I'm thinking of sending my boy to your school, but I'm worried he will learn to masturbate'. Neill replied breezily 'Well, it didn't do me any harm, and I don't expect it did you any either'. The father looked aghast and no more was heard from him.

As usual the WHO spouting out more ridiculous information. I would imagine( and hope) the majority of educators take these guidelines and file them straight in the bin where they belong.

No young child needs to know this information until they start puberty.

The trouble is we’re heading towards a GE and the next lot really don’t want people to talk about it.

You're right.

https://www.thejournal.ie/factcheck-ireland-children-sex-education-curriculum-masturbation-5158825-Jul2020/

This outlines that the document isn't actually from the WHO.

Yet these threads keep coming up getting people frothing over something that isn't true.

From that ICMEC link for ages 0-4:

"if the experience/feeling is not good, you do not always have to comply"

Do not always? And if a 0-4 child is being told it's good, then what?

And this is a "skill" for 0-4s:

"trust their instincts"

The red flag is visible from space

www.icmec.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/WHO-Curriculum-Matrix-for-CSE-in-Europe.pdf

Children do need to know this.
They need to know about it for their safety and protection.
Don't be naive.

Except it wasn't the WHO.

It says: “Appropriate attention should be given to prevention of the initiation of drinking among children and adolescents, prevention of drinking among pregnant women and women of childbearing age, and protection of people from pressures to drink, especially in societies with high levels of alcohol consumption where heavy drinkers are encouraged to drink even more.”
It is not exactly clear what “appropriate attention” to “prevention of drinking among [...] women of childbearing age” means here, but the WHO told us the draft “does not recommend abstinence of all women who are of an age at which they could become pregnant”.
We asked the WHO to clarify what it did mean by this section, but it said the plan being reported on by the media was a “first draft” and “several rounds of consultations” are due to take place before the final plan is released.

Apparently they did say 'appropriate attention' should be paid to prevention of drinking of women of childbearing age. But when they were questioned about it, they said it was just a first draft.

Confused messages at the very least.

Has anyone got a link to an actual WHO document on sexual education for 0 -4 year olds. The only one I can find starts at 5 - 8 year olds and at that age discusses families, etc. Click on the download, scroll down to about page 42 on.
I haven't looked through the whole thing so may have missed something.

https://www.who.int/publications/m/item/9789231002595

Yeah, having skimmed a few documents and used word search I'm not convinced this is something to get frothed up over.

There is a lot of good content about rights, safety, power, patriarchy and gender-based violence.

I wonder how many people all up in arms have read the actual documents?

https://www.bzga-whocc.de/fileadmin/user_upload/BZgA_Standards_English.pdf

This is one document I found. There are a few.

Can someone post a clear screenshot of what the 0-4 WHO guidelines actually are?

WHO backtracked after backlash.

Yes….Louder for those at the back.

People keep spreading that link from IMEC, which is an American NGO, NOT the WHO.

This is what the WHO has to say on their website if people can be bothered to read it. The guidance is from 2018, so why is it being dragged up now by the right wing press?

It’s yet another distraction, to direct more anger at teachers instead of useless politicians. To distract people from the education sector’s struggle to recruit and retain staff and being under funded after 13 years of Tory mismanagement of education.

Lol. Sure. Not that assholes in the media and on social media were claiming something that wasn't true.

The person who groomed and abused me was also a teacher.
All this current sex/ gender education is making great grounds for abuse - it would have been even easier now.

Strangely (not really) enough, Kent is just the sort of sex-positive, liberal county where the banana+condom would happen. I actually hope it didn't but the teen was convincingly shocked, blushing and weirded-out whilst telling me about it.

I'm up North now and it would be unimaginable!
We are really OK here - my son will be 10 soon and there has been nil Sex-Ed. Nothing. An hour or so talking about diverse families. No gender talks. Zero. No kids are "trans" at school. Normal life.
I'm keeping my eye out for the Sex-Ed curriculum which no doubt will start with puberty talks. Like it used to be.

But support whatever ideology suits you! Go for it! Some people only ever see flaws when they have produced an undesirable outcome.

Im curious as to whether you have children in Wales yourself. Because i have nieces and nephews who I spend a lot of time with, one currently lives with me, going through three different schools and none of what people claim is happening in Welsh schools happening in their Welsh schools.

Im curious as to whether its happening in any schools in Wales? The whole teaching masturbation or whatever else this article in the telegraph is apparently claiming.

No. Conspiracy nutters posting something on the internet doesn’t make it true.

With the rise of the internet and social media there has been a huge increase in the spread of misinformation. It doesn't really matter what the topic is (covid vaccines are dangerous / covid is fake, the earth is flat, they're teaching kids anal fisting in schools, climate change is fake, and many more) - the end result is a spread of distrust in those in authority and whose who have expertise in their area. "Don't trust the so-called experts" was a common trope when it came to Covid and Brexit, for example. Donald Trump was elected in no small part thanks to a huge misinformation campaign and continues to have widespread support in the US.

When you have a large number of people who then refuse to acknowledge or try to understand fact and reasoning, who disregard expertise as "fake", and who are readily-prepared to accept whatever they are told, it is then easier for them to be influenced by bad-faith agents. It's really been a horrible trend to see over the last decade or so.

Like this thread. Don't trust the WHO, they're after your children.