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GrabbyGabby · 2023-05-14T09:47:17+00:00

[[https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/05/13/outrage-over-who-advice-on-sexuality-for-infants https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/05/13/outrage-over-who-advice-on-sexuality-for-infants/]] This is where queer theory gets you. Women have been sounding the alarm on the consequences of the promotion of queer theory in all realms of life. This is what it looks like when applies to sex ed for very young children. So, before you dismiss people like me as modern day Mary Whitehouses, just take a read and ask yourself why? What problem is this solving? Why do very young children need to be taught about sex and sexual pleasure? Are they benefiting, if not, who is? (article behind a paywall, but there is a trick that will allow you to read it. A quick google should tell you).

YetAnotherSpartacus · 14/05/2023 13:10

The person who groomed and abused me was also a teacher.
All this current sex/ gender education is making great grounds for abuse - it would have been even easier now.

If you have a look at the material linked you will see that it is absolutely about teaching children safety, boundaries and saying 'no' - and creating the conditions for this.

ZittingBiting · 14/05/2023 13:10

QueenCamilla · 14/05/2023 13:07

The person who groomed and abused me was also a teacher.
All this current sex/ gender education is making great grounds for abuse - it would have been even easier now.

Strangely (not really) enough, Kent is just the sort of sex-positive, liberal county where the banana+condom would happen. I actually hope it didn't but the teen was convincingly shocked, blushing and weirded-out whilst telling me about it.

I'm up North now and it would be unimaginable!
We are really OK here - my son will be 10 soon and there has been nil Sex-Ed. Nothing. An hour or so talking about diverse families. No gender talks. Zero. No kids are "trans" at school. Normal life.
I'm keeping my eye out for the Sex-Ed curriculum which no doubt will start with puberty talks. Like it used to be.

But support whatever ideology suits you! Go for it! Some people only ever see flaws when they have produced an undesirable outcome.

But..but...it isn't happening so you can chill.

CheeseTouch · 14/05/2023 13:11

Astralitzia · 14/05/2023 13:08

With the rise of the internet and social media there has been a huge increase in the spread of misinformation. It doesn't really matter what the topic is (covid vaccines are dangerous / covid is fake, the earth is flat, they're teaching kids anal fisting in schools, climate change is fake, and many more) - the end result is a spread of distrust in those in authority and whose who have expertise in their area. "Don't trust the so-called experts" was a common trope when it came to Covid and Brexit, for example. Donald Trump was elected in no small part thanks to a huge misinformation campaign and continues to have widespread support in the US.

When you have a large number of people who then refuse to acknowledge or try to understand fact and reasoning, who disregard expertise as "fake", and who are readily-prepared to accept whatever they are told, it is then easier for them to be influenced by bad-faith agents. It's really been a horrible trend to see over the last decade or so.

Like this thread. Don't trust the WHO, they're after your children.

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I agree.

Always check primary sources yourself and whilst it’s good to stay open minded and vigilant, be aware that people on the internet and the press are often pushing a particular agenda, for reasons that aren’t always clearly apparent.

TheShellBeach · 14/05/2023 13:11

Astralitzia · 14/05/2023 13:08

With the rise of the internet and social media there has been a huge increase in the spread of misinformation. It doesn't really matter what the topic is (covid vaccines are dangerous / covid is fake, the earth is flat, they're teaching kids anal fisting in schools, climate change is fake, and many more) - the end result is a spread of distrust in those in authority and whose who have expertise in their area. "Don't trust the so-called experts" was a common trope when it came to Covid and Brexit, for example. Donald Trump was elected in no small part thanks to a huge misinformation campaign and continues to have widespread support in the US.

When you have a large number of people who then refuse to acknowledge or try to understand fact and reasoning, who disregard expertise as "fake", and who are readily-prepared to accept whatever they are told, it is then easier for them to be influenced by bad-faith agents. It's really been a horrible trend to see over the last decade or so.

Like this thread. Don't trust the WHO, they're after your children.

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THIS!

Neverendingstories · 14/05/2023 13:11

TheShellBeach · 14/05/2023 12:55

Children do need to know this.
They need to know about it for their safety and protection.
Don't be naive.

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they absolutely do not need to know this information on this level. I would be removing my child from school immediately if this happened.
There is a world of difference between teaching your children about safety and knowing what’s appropriate behaviour.
Those that encourage this level of education on such young children are imo perverted. It’s disgusting to sexualise children in this way.

DrBlackbird · 14/05/2023 13:12

CheeseTouch · 14/05/2023 12:33

Same.

I’ve just found this as a possible primary source. Can anyone verify if this is the correct WHO document?

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If this is indeed the source then, for me, this does raise all kinds of red flags. Right from its title stipulating that the report is not about ‘sex’ education but rather about ‘sexuality’. There’s a huge difference between what underpins both those words. Children of 4 and under are sensual (sensory) not ‘sexual’.

Absolutely one thing for a parent to reassure a child that it’s fine to touch yourself. Quite something else to advocate, as per this report, that children 4 and under should be "Given information about pleasure when touching one’s own body and early childhood masturbation".

This advice does not say the former ie advocating parental guidance to assure children. It’s clear from the website that they advocate for teachers to be the ones to "Provide information on.." eg sexuality for children 4 and under.

From their website: School makes it possible to reach youngsters from all social strata over a period of 12 to 13 years. Moreover, in accordance with their mandate to provide upbringing and education, schools are obliged to cooperate in health education. Consequently, the teachers working in schools are an important target group for the Federal Centre for Health Education. They act as multipliers, because they have direct access to the children and young people, and because they are in a position - based on their training and their curricular duties - to communicate health-related knowledge and behaviour, and to integrate it in everyday school life.

Moreover, the suggested approach about providing information on is not the same as being guided by a child’s questioning. It’s adult-centred not a child-centred approach.

It might be advice that’s being in circulation for a decade and The Torygraph may even be using this article as clickbait, but that doesn’t mean that the topic ought not to be one that parents are aware of and concerned about.

So the accusations of some posters that others are being ‘hysterical’ either are being patronising and dismissive, which is unhelpful for a discussion on safeguarding concerns.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 14/05/2023 13:12

Those that encourage this level of education on such young children are imo perverted. It’s disgusting to sexualise children in this way.

What elements of the report(s) are you actually referring to?

ZittingBiting · 14/05/2023 13:13

CheeseTouch · 14/05/2023 13:06

Yes….Louder for those at the back.

People keep spreading that link from IMEC, which is an American NGO, NOT the WHO.

This is what the WHO has to say on their website if people can be bothered to read it. The guidance is from 2018, so why is it being dragged up now by the right wing press?

It’s yet another distraction, to direct more anger at teachers instead of useless politicians. To distract people from the education sector’s struggle to recruit and retain staff and being under funded after 13 years of Tory mismanagement of education.

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Yep. It's right-wing press stirring up frothing about something which has not happened and will not happen.

For YEARS now.

ZittingBiting · 14/05/2023 13:15

Neverendingstories · 14/05/2023 13:11

they absolutely do not need to know this information on this level. I would be removing my child from school immediately if this happened.
There is a world of difference between teaching your children about safety and knowing what’s appropriate behaviour.
Those that encourage this level of education on such young children are imo perverted. It’s disgusting to sexualise children in this way.

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Have you not read the thread?

It's not happening and it isn't in any way, shape or form planned to happen.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 14/05/2023 13:16

It's also worth mentioning that the WHO is an International Organisation and needs to be relevant to a wide range of children in very different circumstances.

Datun · 14/05/2023 13:16

Astralitzia · 14/05/2023 13:08

With the rise of the internet and social media there has been a huge increase in the spread of misinformation. It doesn't really matter what the topic is (covid vaccines are dangerous / covid is fake, the earth is flat, they're teaching kids anal fisting in schools, climate change is fake, and many more) - the end result is a spread of distrust in those in authority and whose who have expertise in their area. "Don't trust the so-called experts" was a common trope when it came to Covid and Brexit, for example. Donald Trump was elected in no small part thanks to a huge misinformation campaign and continues to have widespread support in the US.

When you have a large number of people who then refuse to acknowledge or try to understand fact and reasoning, who disregard expertise as "fake", and who are readily-prepared to accept whatever they are told, it is then easier for them to be influenced by bad-faith agents. It's really been a horrible trend to see over the last decade or so.

Like this thread. Don't trust the WHO, they're after your children.

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People certainly need to question these organisations. Over and over.

Look what's happened to Stonewall.

RSE is under the microscope due to the outsourcing of sex education to dubious outfits. The Isle of Man, for instance, has shut down their entire RSE provision pending review.

Personally, places like Safe Schools Alliance afford me a great deal of relief, because I know they will take apart, forensically, any advice coming from major organisations. None of which should be beyond suspicion. The first rule of safeguarding.

The NSPCC, for instance didn't see much wrong with one of their employees uploading footage of himself at work, in a gimp suit, urinating for arousal, onto a porn fetish site.

In fact, they got highly pissed off with other people objecting, and said they were being homophobic.

Any organisation giving sex advice about children should welcome, with open arms, people questioning what they say.

CharlottenBerg · 14/05/2023 13:17

ZittingBiting · 14/05/2023 13:13

Yep. It's right-wing press stirring up frothing about something which has not happened and will not happen.

For YEARS now.

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The United Nations and the World Health Organisation are frequently invoked by right-wing nutters, conspiracy theorists, and (it wouldn't surprise me) Russian state trolls.

SunnyEgg · 14/05/2023 13:18

Datun · 14/05/2023 13:16

People certainly need to question these organisations. Over and over.

Look what's happened to Stonewall.

RSE is under the microscope due to the outsourcing of sex education to dubious outfits. The Isle of Man, for instance, has shut down their entire RSE provision pending review.

Personally, places like Safe Schools Alliance afford me a great deal of relief, because I know they will take apart, forensically, any advice coming from major organisations. None of which should be beyond suspicion. The first rule of safeguarding.

The NSPCC, for instance didn't see much wrong with one of their employees uploading footage of himself at work, in a gimp suit, urinating for arousal, onto a porn fetish site.

In fact, they got highly pissed off with other people objecting, and said they were being homophobic.

Any organisation giving sex advice about children should welcome, with open arms, people questioning what they say.

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Look what's happened to Stonewall.

Exactly. Everyone looking the other way

Shinyandnew1 · 14/05/2023 13:19

People keep spreading that link from IMEC, which is an American NGO, NOT the WHO.

Blimey, really?! I couldn’t read the article so that is very interesting to read!

Xenia · 14/05/2023 13:20

The WHO paper immediately linked above says

"Learning objectives (5-8 years)" "It is natural for humans to enjoy their
bodies and being close to others throughout their
lives
Learners will be able to:
▶ understand that physical enjoyment and excitement are
natural human feelings, and this can involve physical
closeness to other people (knowledge)"

I am not sure a 5 year old needs to know that. Their parents instead can teach them at home what they want them to know. At 5 - 8 we should concentrate on English, maths etc

YetAnotherSpartacus · 14/05/2023 13:20

Also, sexuality education has been in the lexicon for fucking years now. It differentiates sex education (the facts about reproduction) from a bigger picture of teaching about safety, boundaries, power, different relationships and sexualities, and so on. Yes, it now teaches about 'gender identity' and other rubbish but this does not make it all bad.

A big focus of the WHO is working with girls to teach them acceptable boundaries and recognise the warning signs of gender-based violence and also that early, forced marriage is not inevitable.

Dmitrii · 14/05/2023 13:22

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DrBlackbird · 14/05/2023 13:24

And, for the record, of course WHO is, in the main, a highly respected and valuable health organisation vital to today’s globalised world. That does not mean it’s work should not be carefully examined and held accountable. Like all institutions, it’s also political and vulnerable to institutional capture.

It’s not a matter of WHO = good or WHO = bad.

HathorsFigTree · 14/05/2023 13:25

I’ve found the number of people downplaying this sinister stuff on the first few pages and accusing OP/Telegraph of hysteria is erm….. worrying.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 14/05/2023 13:25

OK ...

YetAnotherSpartacus · 14/05/2023 13:26

the ok was directed to the tin foil hat post above

MammaTo · 14/05/2023 13:27

Astralitzia · 14/05/2023 11:46

OP: makes wild claim

Posters: provide various evidence against said claims

You: well I guess they don't mind their children being groomed.

Can you not see how mad this is? Look at the claims being made and then look at the actual information in the article. It doesn't add up. You don't have to swallow everything you're told and not everyone is out to get you or your children. The media sensationalise stories like this all the time.

As far as I can see, no-one as yet has any solid evidence that this is true. Where are the children coming home telling their parents about it? Where is their homework? Where is the official syllabus from schools which includes this?

There isn't any.

It's the media taking things out of context and running wildly away with it.

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This!!

Sissynova · 14/05/2023 13:28

You can also ask questions about vaccines supported by WHO during the COVId and other actions but...don't be surprised to be chased by police later, losing your job and getting your bank account canceled not following the agenda and asking too much questions

Dangerous misinformation.

MN should really have a better hold on deleting shit like this.

HathorsFigTree · 14/05/2023 13:28

Does the WHO have some sort of web alert/bat signal thing going on?

Datun · 14/05/2023 13:28

DrBlackbird · 14/05/2023 13:24

And, for the record, of course WHO is, in the main, a highly respected and valuable health organisation vital to today’s globalised world. That does not mean it’s work should not be carefully examined and held accountable. Like all institutions, it’s also political and vulnerable to institutional capture.

It’s not a matter of WHO = good or WHO = bad.

Indeed. And anyone saying there's nothing to see here, quite so vehemently, is, to me, suspicious in itself.

If there is genuinely nothing to see then holding the entire organisation to account, getting it all on the table, and taking a good look, can only be a good thing.

I can't think of a single legitimate reason why anyone would object to that.