to think if EU citizens can vote in local elections if they live here and if Commonwealth Citizens can vote in General Elections,

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then what's the issue with EU citizens who live here, pay taxes here etc voting in General Elections?

I don't here people complaining about EU citizens voting in local elections.

But the proposal for EU citizens to vote in general elections seems to have upset the Tories. For some reason.

Who can vote in UK elections? - House of Commons Library (parliament.uk)

Keir Starmer to hand vote to millions of EU nationals if Labour wins next election | Politics | News | Express.co.uk

Under the plans, migrants who live permanently and pay taxes in the UK would be able to vote in general elections for the first time.
The move is expected to enfranchise around 3.4 million EU nationals who have "settled status" in Britain
Meanwhile, 1.4 million 16 and 17-year-olds would also be able to go to the ballot box in line with Scotland and Wales.

I know people don’t like to hear it but it looks depressing to me

And ‘on their watch’ did you see the response to the female MP asking a decent question?

Whether Labour here will go the same way, I hope not but we’ll see, maybe

Once again, what has improved? we aren't talking about a single 5 year term, where improvements might be hard to see but the Cons have been in for, by the time of the next GE, 3 terms, plenty to see improvements.

They ve even managed to increase the numbers dying in AE by over 4000 people in the last 12 months, perhaps for some, who support the destruction of the NHS, thats an improvement?

We need change and if that means changes in our voting system and franchise, then lets give it go, we keep doing the same things yet expect different outcomes --- ain't going to happen.

And going back to op if Starmer had decided he didn’t care about Brexit voters before declaring on Brexit issues rather than franchise expanding just to shore up his own party the policies might look at bit more hopeful.

Politics and order of events. Will see what it’s like if he gets in, maybe it’ll be so much better or not

But funding needs to be found by whomever

No I wouldn't.

But what if every builder is equally terrible.

What happens then?

I can't do the work myself.

I can't find a builder who can do the job.

And I can't think of anything that has improved at the moment. Things are just getting worse and worse.

True. And it doesn't look enviable.

Yep, I saw that, they didn't want to answer her questions so they took the age old tactic of slurring her and refusing to answer.

And going back to op if Starmer had decided he didn’t care about Brexit voters before declaring on Brexit issues rather than franchise expanding just to shore up his own party the policies might look at bit more hopeful.

And this as well.

The choices we have on who to vote for are really quite depressing.

Just like you when you don't want to answer questions you mean?

What like voter ID?

@Jonei Yes indeed all the builders may well be shite but we only know for certain that the one we have now is really bad... the others deserve a chance, i hope that Starmer will prove to be a little bolder than he so far appears to be, so on housing, health, education, drop this TWAW craziness and stop pandering to a lunatic fringe and of course the EU but Labour also seem to know how to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory, so i'm not entire sure they will win next year.

If we continue with the current lot, we condemn our house to total ruin because if they can't get a single thing right in 13 years, then its certain they wont over the next 5 years

I’m not sure a poster on mn carries the same weight as Drakeford

For any of us @Jonei posts just as good as any of course

Plus I didn’t see the level of insult he managed to use to silence

They are. And on the builder thing it may just be the smaller house but I need more to convince me their boss won’t do the same on the bigger one before giving them the keys too.

Anyway we’ll see.

You know what it feels like, we've got a shit builder, and then people say, I'd recommend this builder over here. So I employ him. And the house falls down. Labour are not providing any reassurance that they will do anything better. But they are demonstrating that they want to get their feet under the table long term without actually doing the things that are actually really important.

I don't know who I'm going to vote for. It's all very bloody depressing.

https://twitter.com/LauraJ4SWEast/status/1655954016151695360?t=2Erzkl4jMk3untibdJXIJA&s=08

There's more that's worth looking at on Laura Anne Jones twitter page. At least she refuses to be silenced.

I think Labour have said plenty recently on how they would be different.

e.g On the gOvts £1bn microchip plan, over 10 years, totally inadequate, as leading industry figures have said, Labour would increase this.

Same with NHS and their workforce plan.

On funding, Labour have pointed out the £25 billion tax gap between earned and unearned income, we saw this with Sunaks tax return.

Plans for EU citizens to have a vote? whilst you might not agree, it does show they are thinking more broadly BUT its a proposal, likley will never see the light of day.

We are still the worlds 5th or 6th richest economy, ways have to be found to rebalance and reduce income inequality.

Good to see some support there. I ended up sending an email to say the same and thank you

I don’t think it’s lack of WM funding that made him show his true colours - unabated misogyny

On funding, Labour have pointed out the £25 billion tax gap between earned and unearned income

Is there a stated policy on this?

Labour haven't published many policies, thats for the GE, so we will all have to wait.

Same with Labour & TW stuff, atm its ad hoc speeches etc but considered by many on here to be a stated policy to delete women, with legislation imminent.

If we want a flavour of how labour will be we only need to look to Welsh labour to see how appallingly they are doing with health / waiting times / education / women's rights.

But I suppose we'll have to wait for all the parties to publish their plans for the GE, and we can look at all the lies and decide which lies we'd like to be taken in by most. And so it continues.

I would just take an answer atm. I actually wanted to hear the position from Drakeford and if he hadn’t deflected with pure misogyny maybe he would have clarified.

Starmer similar tactic with no one is talking about this

We’ll see what goes into the respective manifestos

Wales isn't really doing much worse than England, which saw 28,000 people die waiting in AE, especially when you take into account all the elderly English who have retired there.

Do you also think Wales is a sovereign and separate country?