Why is it ok to be violent and insulting to a woman who makes a mistake.

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A female calls a person 'lady' in error because she thought the person was female. The person identifies as non binary. The trans manager then verbally insults and finally physically assaults the woman and the man outside.

Is this really what we have come to. A simple word and the non binary is upset and so the trans person can kick a customer from the shop, purposefully insult and then assault.

So is misgendering (even by accident) so serious it merits verbal abuse and physical violence? I mean it isn't even obvious whether the person she called 'lady' behind the counter is non binary, looks female. The trans woman manager looks male and certainly acts it!

Why are so many trans women displaying what was formally seen as masculine traits (violence) now that they identify as female.

Yes you’re right, I meant identify as. I just added for clarity that they identify as non-binary rather than the other sex.

As we’re all advised by the experts over in feminism to do I have reported this thread for countless examples of misgendering.

So glad the bloke was sacked. His behaviour was unacceptable.

Misgendering= Correctly sexing.

Did the customer call the Starbucks worker behind the counter a lady because that she looks like and therefore she thought she was a lady?

And the manager who is non binary saw red at this and lost it because of the use of the word lady?

Not sure how the customer is “transphobic” and can’t see what ever else she said offensive.

Honestly that manager is really unhinged.

I haven't misgendered anyone. I was very careful with the biological woman, trans woman, non binary person in all comments I've posted.

My grandmother would have a fit at me calling someone “them” or “they”. I was brought up that it was rude, I’d hate to upset anyone, it seems it’s a very complicated world now.

It's complicated. The biological woman called the non binary individual a 'lady' and the trans woman manager decided that was 'transphobic' and so asked her to leave and refused a refund. The trans woman manager has been sacked over this now.

At the very end of the video ( the last second or so), although you can only see feet, the stance and positioning of those feet is very much of someone who is about to manhandle the other out the door.

Honestly that manager is really unhinged.

Yes.

🤔 all you like at me, I don't excuse male aggression and male violence by emoji ing away valid points because you don't want to face up to it. He started his attack on a WOMAN, got himself worked up with adrenaline and fired it off when he realised he was being filmed.

Oh, and

The Starbucks manager grabbed me and threw me out of the café.

There you go, so he assaulted her too. Happy now? 🤔

This is the latest on what happened (from various sources)

Man and woman went to get 2 drinks and a cake totaling about £10

Man waited outside, woman went in and ordered. She was served by a short person who, to her, looked to be of the female sex.

Woman wanted to pay with cash but was told by short person serving her that card only payment. Woman complained that she didn't like the 'no cash' policy but paid by card.

Tall person who was the manager intervened in the conversation. Woman said I wasn't talking to you I was talking to that lady.

Tall person kicked off because it turns out the short female person identifies as non binary.

Man waiting outside sees it kicking off so starts to record

Video shows the rest

After video, the police were called and woman reported that Tall person had refused a refund, tipped the contents of her bag out and physically carried her out of the premises. Tall person then slammed the door shut so hard that the glass smashed. Tall person then ran away from the scene.

Outcome - Tall person sacked, police investigation ongoing, man and woman went on holiday. Woman has still not been given a refund for her £10

Fuck me, that didn't take long second post - women do it too.

As for the incident in question those people who wish to play pronoun games can do so to their hearts content out but no-one else is obliged to join in.

I think it's fair for customers to be asked to leave for abusing staff whether due to race/ gender/disability
Yeah, yeah. Nobody suggests otherwise. The word "lady" is not a term of abuse.

Tell them to write it on they're head.

Do you know the gender of the assailant? I don't think it's been reported has it?

So what biological sex was the person called Lady out of interest? Because I’m not clicking on the clip but assume the people in it are customer left and manager right.

I have almost always called everyone mate, unsure why just always have for decades, it’s pretty handy these days.

Plus can someone clarify non binary to me as a term, does it mean a person identifies as neither gender but can be either bio sex but gives no indication of sexuality or asexuality. Could be straight, gay, bi or asexual?

I mean I've watched the video - the manager was not violent towards the woman
Oh okay. No physical contact actually made = no violence whatsoever, nothing to see here, move along?

The manager was bloody intimidating. Said manager was aggressive, angry, over the top and all self-control had gone.

(Trying hard not to misgender but also struggling to deny the evidence of my own eyes and ears.)

🙄. Yes, dear. I'll refer to biological sex all I bloody well please.

"Would you please leave, Madam?" would be a reasonable response by a manager to a customer who appeared to be causing a problem.

That could be followed by: "I will refund your £10 payment via the card you used to pay, but I have to insist that you leave immediately afterwards."

You might follow it up with: "I am behaving calmly Madam, but it you don't leave now, I will call the police."

But the manager wasn't reasonable or calm which is why they are no longer employed by Starbucks. Mind you, if Starbucks ever wanted a training video on how not to behave as one of their managers, that's a good one.

Counter worker female, called lady, "identifies as" non binary.
Manager - trans identified male.
TIM takes it upon himself to berate customer for calling non binary female employee lady.
It is unclear whether or not the female behind the counter had a massive sandwich board declaring non binary status to customers.

Fgs. How was she supposed to know the non binary person is non binary unless they stamp in on their forehead? Lots of people still think a person who looks like a she doesn’t mind being called a she. It’s easy to forget about the non binary trend.

And even if the customer did know the non binary person is non binary and still called her a woman, the manager was beyond unprofessional to kick off and use her/his/their/its (?) job as a platform to kick off with random members of the public.

Is 'lady' directed towards someone who looks like a female but identifies (unbeknownst to customer) as a they/them an insult worthy of this level of anger from the trans woman manager?

That's my point. I wasn't defending the trans woman and her assault on a woman at all. I was making the point that how would anyone know what to use if not obvious or a label stating please call me 'them/they'.

But that would mean that it was set up beforehand by someone intending to create a scene, wouldn't it?

This woman just went to buy a coffee and called the woman behind the counter a lady. It only started being videoed when the manager came out and started calling her names and being intimidating.