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Arrested for holding a banner - can't ruin a big day, can we... PART 2

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vera99 · 09/05/2023 13:32

A continuation of the debate started at https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4800317-arrested-for-holding-a-banner-cant-ruin-a-big-day-can-we?page=39&reply=126045871

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vera99 · 09/05/2023 22:13

cakeorwine · 09/05/2023 22:01

For the current BBC that's a very fair and balanced report. Sorry Charles at your next public event you will be getting a large, robust but peaceful response to these travesties of justice.

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cakeorwine · 09/05/2023 22:15

Just watched ITV news. Interesting how they showed the arrest of other protestors being carried away instead of the arrest of Republic protestors.

And no mention of the luggage straps.

News and how it's presented is fascinating.

cakeorwine · 09/05/2023 22:16

vera99 · 09/05/2023 22:13

For the current BBC that's a very fair and balanced report. Sorry Charles at your next public event you will be getting a large, robust but peaceful response to these travesties of justice.

I think that's probably guaranteed.

The police can't arrest everyone.

NeverMyKing · 09/05/2023 22:31

H@cakeorwine yes i was infuriated by that! They weren’t Republican protestors, they were a completely different group. And I’ve no idea whether they’d had their protest agreed to in the same way.

NeverMyKing · 09/05/2023 22:31

@Boudicasbeard what facts are you disputing? I’m genuinely baffled.

NeverMyKing · 09/05/2023 22:37

Yes I was just reading that. Hope Charles enjoys reading it over breakfast in the morning 😄

cakeorwine · 09/05/2023 22:46

NeverMyKing · 09/05/2023 22:37

Yes I was just reading that. Hope Charles enjoys reading it over breakfast in the morning 😄

I wonder what paper Charles reads?

NeverMyKing · 09/05/2023 22:53

I think they’re given all the papers - although I suspect heavily vetted at the moment 😄

vera99 · 10/05/2023 07:09

cakeorwine · 09/05/2023 22:33

God save the King !

Verses 2 & 3 of the National Anthem - if the Tories could find a devilish way to hold onto power one forever one could see them coming back into use !

O Lord our God arise,
Scatter his enemies
And make them fall;
Confound their politics,
Frustrate their knavish tricks,
On Thee our hopes we fix,
God, save us all!

Thy choicest gifts in store
On him be pleased to pour;
Long may he reign;
May he defend our laws,
And ever give us cause
To sing with heart and voice,
God save the King!

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vera99 · 10/05/2023 07:32

Put her on the list to be sorted out when we establish the New Commonwealth, joyless puritans that we are. Who got rid of cock fighting and bear beating along with music and jollity. Bah, humbug.

British republicans are doomed to be irrelevant
Cackhanded policing has given this joyless group a moment in the limelight that it doesn’t deserve
Madeline Grant PARLIAMENTARY SKETCHWRITER 10 May 2023 • 6:00am

The arrest of six anti-monarchy protesters at the Coronation seems like typically cackhanded policing from the Met. Having initially promised to allow a demonstration by the pressure group Republic, the force arrested its CEO Graham Smith without any crime having been committed. Scotland Yard has since expressed “regret” for those arrests, although the Met’s Commissioner Sir Mark Rowley has defended the wider policing operation; Smith has called them “a direct attack on our democracy”.

Expect to hear more of this hyperbole. Incompetence rather than malice looks to be the driving force here, but it’s still a shame that British republicanism has been gifted a much-coveted spot in the limelight. All this attention affords them an outsized influence they don’t really deserve.

Far from being a mainstream movement, republicanism belongs to the great tradition of English eccentricity; people with an unpopular, niche pursuit, who are fanatically convinced that said pursuit is of much greater interest or importance than it is. Though scepticism of monarchy is fairly common, its placard-wielding cousin should be seen as a quaint pastime, closer to Morris Dancing or Esperanto. For the serious hobbyist, their pursuit can be all-consuming – and there’s nothing wrong with that.

However there is a difference. While watching a model railwayist’s eyes light up can warm even the most cynical heart, the same cannot be said of the cause of British republicanism. An overwhelming sense of joylessness emanates from its followers, who pride themselves on being “rational” and “evidence-based”. In practice; they are more likely to be found snarking on Twitter. When even the Guardian is admitting that you had to be “either an algorithm or half-dead” not to have felt something at the moment of anointing at the Coronation, it’s clear this is a strange and melancholy pursuit.

They specialise in meanness of spirit and purse – as when Humza Yousaf urged the Coronation’s costs “be kept to a minimum”. Following in the footsteps of ferry-gate and census-gate, the idea of the SNP being suddenly concerned about waste is exquisite enough, but last week’s display was an incalculable exercise in soft power. What the bean-counters miss most of all is that humans crave escapism and spectacle, especially when times are tough, just as US cinema-goers flocked to Busby Berkeley’s kaleidoscopic dancing extravaganzas during the Depression.

You have to go into the DNA of English republicanism to understand why none of this catches on. Under the Protectorate, the Puritans suppressed traditional games, from cock-fighting to maypole dancing. After breaking up the blood sports, the animals involved were slaughtered for good measure – prompting Thomas Macaulay’s famous quip that the Puritans hated bear-baiting, “not because it gave pain to the bear, but because it gave pleasure to the spectators.” Life was simply less colourful under the Commonwealth, and British republicanism has maintained that Puritan streak ever since. You strongly suspect the pageantry is what they object to as much as the inbuilt inequalities. This makes them less attractive to ordinary people, most of whom don’t mind a bit of pomp from time to time.

The Puritans, for all their faults, had a rationale which, though flawed, could be expressed beautifully. They had Bunyan, Milton, Cromwell, the then-thrilling idea of a direct relationship to God, unimpeded by ecclesiastical authority. Modern-day republicanism has yet to find a compelling narrative of its own which might unify a nation, or replace the theatre of monarchy. Rather than taking inspiration from Britain’s rich republican past, they more often praise foreign unknowns such as Vigdís Finnbogadóttir, Iceland’s elected head of state between 1980-1996, who Republic tweets about every few weeks. All this does little to capture the public imagination, let alone quell the impression that a republican UK would probably end in a President Blair.

Ironically, their insistence on pure rational theory is what really makes them laughable. In Gulliver’s Travels our hero visits Laputa, a floating island inhabited by a race of pedantic scientists and philosophers. They are obsessed with mathematics; though due to their hatred of practical geometry, their houses are misshapen, built without right angles. They wear ill-fitting clothes because their tailors use quadrants and compasses to take measurements. Like the Laputians, in searching for an existence based on reason alone, republicans have made themselves ridiculous.

As so often happens, there is a tragic, self-loathing aspect to their comedy, too. It is always – uniquely – Britain which must abandon its traditions. Our republicans never seem to have a problem with, say, French grandeur (and heavy-handed policing), Sweden’s love of flag-waving or the Vatican’s high-stepping Swiss Guards. But it isn’t only their relationship with the nation that is tragicomic, it is their relationship with themselves. They like to imagine themselves punks, taking it to the man, but directing their distaste and anger largely at street-parties and extended pub opening hours makes them appear more like maiden aunts.

While the rest of the country opts for Falstaffian revelry, they stand on the sidelines, tut-tutting. After the magic of a national Twelfth Night, our best response is not to chuck them into prison like Malvolio, but to laugh.

Met Police admit 'regret' over six Republican protesters arrested ahead of Coronation

The police said after reviewing the case no charges will be brought against them

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/05/08/met-police-lied-arrested-coronation-protesters-republic/

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cakeorwine · 10/05/2023 07:37

Bless

Whaeanui · 10/05/2023 07:40

For the current BBC that's a very fair and balanced report. Sorry Charles at your next public event you will be getting a large, robust but peaceful response to these travesties of justice.

Good point. All they’ve done is ensure Charles gets lots more protests at everything he does. Major fail.

Roussette · 10/05/2023 08:01

@vera99
Hahaha... reading that article has made me realise that I am more of a Republican than I thought I was!

Oh... and I'm half dead (because I'm not an algorithm) because I seriously was not the slightest bit moved by the anointing oil nonsense!

vera99 · 10/05/2023 09:05

Roussette · 10/05/2023 08:01

@vera99
Hahaha... reading that article has made me realise that I am more of a Republican than I thought I was!

Oh... and I'm half dead (because I'm not an algorithm) because I seriously was not the slightest bit moved by the anointing oil nonsense!

Joyless ! Glastonbury vs Coronation Concert hmmm tricky one .... all those Puritans in their weird hats with their vegan cock-fights worshipping the sun rather than the Sun God - with A-listers doing a sorry RSVP I have an appointment with my shampoo bottle on the day.

Plus whilst we’re at it as, I watched the whole service as part of my train-spotting eccentricity (though I do love trains-wonderful things) a lot of the audience looked bored for a lot of the time wondering when does this bloody thing end, so I can go to the loo and have a drink.

What some of the monarchists miss, if we are indeed on a fool's errand, is that peaceful protestors are just as much of the national fabric as everything else and a sign of the joy of being British and free. If Charles's had the gumption he should have agreed with the Archbishop at the pledging stage "and others who are of different opinion may now say "Not My King" if they so wish. That would have been a truly inclusive service !

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 10/05/2023 09:56

Sorry Charles at your next public event you will be getting a large, robust but peaceful response to these travesties of justice

Not if the Met get tthere first he won't ... despite the arse-covering so called "regret", does anyone seriously imagine they wouldn't do exactly the same thing again?

Whaeanui · 10/05/2023 10:16

That’s true, the Met are hideous. Don’t trust them at all

vera99 · 10/05/2023 10:23

Puzzledandpissedoff · 10/05/2023 09:56

Sorry Charles at your next public event you will be getting a large, robust but peaceful response to these travesties of justice

Not if the Met get tthere first he won't ... despite the arse-covering so called "regret", does anyone seriously imagine they wouldn't do exactly the same thing again?

That will be a litmus test of how much the right to protest peacefully will be curtailed. The event won't ever be the biggie of the Coronation ever again so won't have the unique security issues that presented. One could imagine though a circumstance where a 100 or more demonstrators presented an unmissable and raucous addition to the scene. As such it seriously impinges the optics of a Royal visit and raises once again the debate the Republicans wish to have in the public realm.

I'm not a tin foil hatter but given the importance that is attached to the Royal Family and their part in the establishment and conscious of the data available that Snowden revealed in his leaks in Operation Prism it's nor difficult that some sort of secret task force will be set up to frustrate and smear Republic to try to break up their leadership and dissuade others from joining.

NSA has every email, phone conversation, social media post and google search you have ever done in their huge data set and can if they so wish access that and through 5 Eyes they share it with their partners if so required.

I fully expect some hit piece to appear in the press and soon about some of the leadership team as the Coronation has raised their profile from harmless eccentrics to seriously troublesome figures annoying the establishment. Sadly I think it's going to get rougher hereonin.

Five Eyes - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 10/05/2023 10:55

I fully expect some hit piece to appear in the press and soon about some of the leadership team as the Coronation has raised their profile from harmless eccentrics to seriously troublesome figures annoying the establishment. Sadly I think it's going to get rougher hereonin

Don't think it hadn't occurred to me, vera ...

vera99 · 10/05/2023 11:09

But whatever it is if it does occur it won't have patch on the Prince Andrew elephant in the room who got to wear his fancy dress clobber with the approval of the King and the amusement of the bishops.

Arrested for holding a banner - can't ruin a big day, can we... PART 2
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Roussette · 10/05/2023 11:09

What some of the monarchists miss, if we are indeed on a fool's errand, is that peaceful protestors are just as much of the national fabric as everything else and a sign of the joy of being British and free

Yes yes yes to this. Who remembers the Greenham Common women? Chained themselves to railings in a protest against nuclear weapons stored, then 30,000 women joined hands around the RAF base, and 70,000 formed a human chain of 14 miles from Greenham to the ordnance factory, they were at the peace camp for years. Or Swampy who dug a tunnel and lived there for a week protesting to stop the extension of a road, then years later climbed a tree and stayed up there for days to stop a dual carriageway.

God knows what would happen to these people now with these new laws. Britain needs people like this.

cakeorwine · 10/05/2023 13:28

I am sure that the security services are monitoring the online response to this, looking at the tweets and who's liked them, and have the faces of the protestors on profile - and that's all the protestors.

There is going to be an inquiry in the Commons.

Anti-monarchy arrests at coronation to be scrutinised by MPs | Protest | The Guardian

Anti-monarchy arrests at coronation to be scrutinised by MPs

Chair of home affairs select committee says decision to be made whether to hold inquiry into use of Public Order Act

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/10/anti-monarchy-arrests-coronation-scrutinised-mps-public-order-act

Whaeanui · 10/05/2023 13:29

There is going to be an inquiry in the Commons.

Good.

Honestly after the report into the Mets revolting misogyny and the hundreds of cases that will take years to get through of officers who have committed offences against women, we now have this! The Met is not fit for purpose. At all.

JenniferBooth · 10/05/2023 14:05

JHB interviewing DCI Mike Neville about this

https://twitter.com/TalkTV/status/1656207831870128129?s=20

https://twitter.com/TalkTV/status/1656207831870128129?s=20