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Arrested for holding a banner - can't ruin a big day, can we... PART 2

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vera99 · 09/05/2023 13:32

A continuation of the debate started at https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4800317-arrested-for-holding-a-banner-cant-ruin-a-big-day-can-we?page=39&reply=126045871

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Boudicasbeard · 09/05/2023 21:25

Difference of opinion should be encouraged.

Civil discussion would be ideal. But unfortunately the internet is not often the place to find that civil discussion. People are often far more rude and aggressive when they can’t see the person they are talking to.

It’s good to remember that things you read online are often not true and don’t reflect real life.

Remember: the world is actually round, not flat.

DuncinToffee · 09/05/2023 21:27

It’s good to remember that things you read online are often not true and don’t reflect real life.

You mean like rape alarms being used to scare horses?

pointythings · 09/05/2023 21:29

It’s good to remember that things you read online are often not true and don’t reflect real life.

You mean like lock on devices being found (only it turned out there were none?)

cakeorwine · 09/05/2023 21:30

It’s good to remember that things you read online are often not true and don’t reflect real life

It's been interesting to read the papers like the Express and the Mail and how they have covered this. Even the choice of images seek to carry an impression. As well as missing out key bits of information - all to create an impression.

Overall, the police did a good job on the Coronation. There were no terrorist incidents or disruption. I do think that's a good thing - I think there is a time and a place for disruptive protest. However, this action has damaged the reputation.

We police by consent in this country. I don't know what happens if the police lose that consent.

Boudicasbeard · 09/05/2023 21:31

I mean that 75% of things you read online are either straight up bullshit or heavily reinterpreted.

A lot of the things I read on Mumsnet set off my bullshit alarm, none more so when people rely on the opinions created by group think.

It would be nice if people spent more time in the real world and less time recycling crap online. The Chinese whispers are insane.

Roussette · 09/05/2023 21:31

It is headlines on ITV news, just seen a clip of the upcoming News at Ten.

This... from the article...

Smith can see the value of all that now, he says. A friend of a friend spotted him on the TV news in Mexico. “If they were trying to diminish our publicity in order to enhance theirs, it massively backfired, in a spectacular way,” he says. And yet, he appears genuinely troubled as he details for the first time the full extent of the conversations and agreements he had with a senior officer in charge of policing the coronation, Supt Martin Kirby.

Mexico????!

A very bad look the whole thing is

pointythings · 09/05/2023 21:33

Boudicasbeard · 09/05/2023 21:31

I mean that 75% of things you read online are either straight up bullshit or heavily reinterpreted.

A lot of the things I read on Mumsnet set off my bullshit alarm, none more so when people rely on the opinions created by group think.

It would be nice if people spent more time in the real world and less time recycling crap online. The Chinese whispers are insane.

So is this you agreeing that with regard to Republic, the police got it badly wrong, caused reputational damage to itself and made the UK look bad around the world? Given that there will be no charges and that the police actually apologised and admitted they mishandled it...

Roussette · 09/05/2023 21:33

Boudicasbeard · 09/05/2023 21:31

I mean that 75% of things you read online are either straight up bullshit or heavily reinterpreted.

A lot of the things I read on Mumsnet set off my bullshit alarm, none more so when people rely on the opinions created by group think.

It would be nice if people spent more time in the real world and less time recycling crap online. The Chinese whispers are insane.

Any particular bit of what we are discussing at this moment in time?

I am listening to different news channels, and reading many varied news outlets. Nothing has led me to believe anything is incorrect on the false arrests and subsequent apologies by high up in the Met.

NeverMyKing · 09/05/2023 21:36

These are the “lock on” devices 🙄. Which bit are we making up @Boudicasbeard? I’m intrigued.

Arrested for holding a banner - can't ruin a big day, can we... PART 2
Boudicasbeard · 09/05/2023 21:38

Look, I can’t tell you what to believe and wouldn’t want to. But the 24 hour news cycle has created the space for everybody to have a badly considered opinion on something the moment it happens. Has this made the world a better place- I would suggest not. It has become less and less easy to spot reliable information and harder and harder to find what really happened in any given event.

I have seen ‘facts’ bandied about on several threads that are repackaging of reality to make it more sensational and more outrageous.

Who is this really helping?

Roussette · 09/05/2023 21:39

Oh my goodness, I use those sort of straps on my suitcases when I go away, as a distinguishing feature on the carousel so no one takes mine by mistake!

I will look at those straps differently now!

cakeorwine · 09/05/2023 21:39

A lot of social change in the world has come through protest - and especially non violent protest.

I wonder what certain Tories think of people like Gandhi, Martin Luther King etc.

I remember reading about some of the ways Gandhi was treated by the British rulers and the police under their command.

"In complete silence the Gandhi men drew up and halted a hundred yards from the stockade. A picked column advanced from the crowd, waded the ditches and approached the barbed wire stockade... at a word of command, scores of native policemen rushed upon the advancing marchers and rained blows on their heads with their steel-shot lathis [long bamboo sticks]. Not one of the marchers even raised an arm to fend off blows. They went down like ninepins. From where I stood I heard the sickening whack of the clubs on unprotected skulls... Those struck down fell sprawling, unconscious or writhing with fractured skulls or broken shoulders

Offering non violent resistance. I suspect that some people think he should have been locked up for even wanting to protest.

I do wonder how much school history covers social change and the way it's been achieved.

NeverMyKing · 09/05/2023 21:41

@Boudicasbeard which facts? I’m generally intrigued. Fascinating that you don’t even believe they were wrongfully arrested when the police themselves have admitted they fucked up. Absolutely fascinating.

NeverMyKing · 09/05/2023 21:42

@Roussette bloody hell! Don’t take them to an airport - you’ll definitely be arrested for locking on 😳😬😂

vera99 · 09/05/2023 21:42

Boudicasbeard · 09/05/2023 21:31

I mean that 75% of things you read online are either straight up bullshit or heavily reinterpreted.

A lot of the things I read on Mumsnet set off my bullshit alarm, none more so when people rely on the opinions created by group think.

It would be nice if people spent more time in the real world and less time recycling crap online. The Chinese whispers are insane.

I don't go anywhere near Tik Tok but the young get a lot of their information from there, and it’s virtually insane. If that and its ilk are the information gateways of a civilised society then it's a lost battle I fear.

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DuncinToffee · 09/05/2023 21:43

NeverMyKing · 09/05/2023 21:42

@Roussette bloody hell! Don’t take them to an airport - you’ll definitely be arrested for locking on 😳😬😂

Especially if you walk too slow...

DuncinToffee · 09/05/2023 21:44

The Met got fact checked on Twitter with their tweet about scaring horses.

Aintshesweet · 09/05/2023 21:49

Thanks for part 2 vera

its almost like Charles III did a Henry II by saying ‘Will no-one rid me of this meddling republican?’ to the Head of the Met.

still astonished by some posters who don’t seem to have read the details of the incident from the statements issued by Republic, instead relying on hearsay and rumour.

im looking forward to HIGNFY this week, wouldn’t it be amazing if Graham Smith was one of the guests?

pointythings · 09/05/2023 21:50

Some people just really want to believe the coronation went perfectly and nobody was wrongfully arrested. Evidence, schmevidence.

Boudicasbeard · 09/05/2023 21:52

Fact checked how? By who?

cakeorwine · 09/05/2023 21:52

DuncinToffee · 09/05/2023 21:43

Especially if you walk too slow...

This is one of the key points - proving intent.

It was poorly thought out leglisation. How do the police know if they were going to a demonstration, how do they know if someone carrying a bike lock / paint / glue has the intention of using it in a protest?

It is illegal to have a knife of a certain size when you are out and about.

How will they define and give guidelines for the carrying equipment to be used for "locking on"?

cakeorwine · 09/05/2023 21:53

Aintshesweet · 09/05/2023 21:49

Thanks for part 2 vera

its almost like Charles III did a Henry II by saying ‘Will no-one rid me of this meddling republican?’ to the Head of the Met.

still astonished by some posters who don’t seem to have read the details of the incident from the statements issued by Republic, instead relying on hearsay and rumour.

im looking forward to HIGNFY this week, wouldn’t it be amazing if Graham Smith was one of the guests?

I am sure it will be on HIGNFY.

And hopefully Question Time.

vera99 · 09/05/2023 21:56

JHB is wonderfully doubling down in her defence of protestors with Mr Mike 'Trees are made of concrete" Graham of her Talk TV parish.

https://twitter.com/TalkTV/status/1655872285738246147

https://twitter.com/TalkTV/status/1655872285738246147

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Roussette · 09/05/2023 22:07

@cakeorwine

Ros Atkins is great. He has done some brilliant commentary before. On all sorts of subjects.