To ask if you have a problem with the burkini?

[Mvslimah]

Honest answers please

would you give a woman (maybe Muslim maybe Jewish) a wide berth if you saw them wearing a burkini or modest (Ie fully covered) swimsuit at a pool?

if you see a woman wearing one do you give it a second thought or is it just a meh, who cares?

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I think you go girl when I see a Muslim woman at a swimming pool or beach. I'm happy that she is enjoying herself.

I myself am Muslim and wear swimming costumes.

I think it was wrong for those people to make audible comments at you.

It is really hard to convey tone, I am still struggling. I am still struggling with some of the OP's posts but agree she has been judged harshly by people who seem willingly blind to the influence of the patriarchy on themselves. We seem to be stuck in a loop.

Personally I think it's great that one can enjoy the beach without waxing or caring what the body looks like.

I’m a swimmer and I have a degree in Religious Studies, and I’m trained as an RME teacher. I just definitely think “you go girl, get in the water”

What you struggling with babe? X

Personally I think it's great that one can enjoy the beach without waxing or caring what the body looks like

you know what would be greater @RestingRoundFace? Enjoying the beach and not caring if you’ve waxed/ what your body looks like.

I’m not sure covering your whole body up is the answer you’re looking for.

I don’t care at all - we can and should all Co exist happily

It’s there problem not yours. Remember not everyone is as ignorant as them x

With respect to you posts on questions, to be honest I had no idea what a burkini was until I was in Malaysia and all the women were wearing them. I’m not a beach person and as someone else said, I’m too busy thinking about how bad I look to think about what anyone else is wearing. I remember staring wondering if it was a fashion thing or some kind of wet suit, then it clicked the women were Muslim 🤦‍♀️ That was my ignorance, once I realised I didn’t think twice about it.

Please don’t let it stop you enjoying taking your children swimming x

What you've said is pretty similar to what I said. I don't see much of a difference.
But if there is a better way to enjoy the beach without caring how you look or if female and male members of the public are noticing your flaws it would be good.

I even get body hang ups about going my legs when going for smear tests with women. So In the mean time , my system works best for me .

About my legs *

Honestly, not quite sure I can really explain it myself. The wording of your original question, the way you swerved questions which might challenge the recognised order of things. Its just a little too neat. As I say that probably doesn't make sense. I will reflect on it over night to see if I can get my thoughts straight.

Yes, such a barking mad response to a perfectly legitimate use of a term that has been around in fashion for quite a few years now. It's not like the OP coined it.

The OP has been given alternative language to describe the style of clothing, yet she continues to insist there is no alternative to the word "modest".

How utterly bizarre. It would be like someone getting their knickers in a twist over the use of the term "high fashion" because it reminds them of drug use.

As a woman, if I were to go to Muslim countries I would be expected to cover up and not express myself in the way I could here in England

I think you have a lot to learn and that if you’re going to comment you should try and get it right.

How were you brought up that you think you need to hide your face in public? At least your husband was well raised.

I think from a safety perspective we should encourage everyone to learn to swim. I know several Muslim women who cannot swim because they have not felt comfortable entering a pool in conventional swimwear. Putting restrictions on clothing due to debatable arguments about ‘hygiene’ aka prejudice is not helpful.

Even if you disagree with the premise, I think the safety angle wins and we need to be inclusive about swimwear and make sure every man, woman and child knows how to swim.

I thought our values were about tolerance and acceptance. Genuinely. Can you show me where it’s about having to wear ‘western clothes’ eg swimsuits?

simply put, I wasn’t. I lived in Saudi but not as a Saudi because I’m not, expats live in very expat communities and I went to an international school.

as you don’t know my husband or his family it makes me giggle that you think he was well raised… like most families they’ve got their issues, some definitely would not evoke sentiments of being well raised. They don’t like the face veil because it’s not their culture.

ive worn it myself, not for pure motivations on believing it to be the correct or preferred way for a Muslim woman to dress but actually that I was going somewhere and I didn’t want to be recognised and or approached

because it was 6:30am you nutter, I was asleep!

lets not idealise the western ‘democratic’ nations, we are far from ideal.

let me point out to you a fact that should be very simple, most Muslim majority countries are either third world or developing nations, you cannot compare developed first world countries with a penchant for invading and or bombing said developing countries with those countries and go haha you guys are so backward

ps to answer your question, Indonesia and Malaysia

@PollyThePixie @SoreThroatAgain
I understand there's a lot of posts to read through but by leaping on mine perhaps you missed my multiple responses to similar comments.
I have stated repeatedly that I myself grew up in Saudi so I have personal experience that I'm referring to. And I have not stated that British values mean to exclusively wear revealing swimwear or anything like that. I've stated that British values are about acceptance and fairness, and pointed out the same does not apply when western women live in places like Saudi (again, in my lived experience which you can see I have briefly discussed with OP)
Hopefully you both simply rushed to respond to my first post and didn't just choose to dismiss me already clearing this up.
Have good days both of you.

Also @SoreThroatAgain having checked again I see you responded to my comment where I'm clearly saying the people at the pool did not uphold British value in that they were intolerant and unaccepting. So I can only presume you tagged me to cause an argument since you chose to read something into my comment that just isn't there.

I'm not a nutter. I just don't live in the UK.
In answer to your answer .
Indonesia - has a province called Aceh - they have sharia law ( muslim again) and whip people who break certain laws.
Malaysia - check out the sedition act.
That's seriously the best you've got. And you call me a nutter.
Another question - why is there not an influx of immigrants to Muslim countries? It's always the other way. Do you never stop and think about that? Why do you live in the UK?

Oh and most Muslim countries are not "developing " countries , unless you are including some Asian and African countries. Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain, UAE, Jordan, Turkey etc I think they'd be a bit insulted to be called 3rd world. No Western countries bombing them.
Iran and Iraq had a good crack at each other long before the Iraq war.
Muslim countries controlled a fair bit of the world for a long time.
No idea what's happened. But blaming other people for Islamic issues doesn't help.
Can't be bothered because I always get called racist - which is strange as Islam is not a race.
Have a restful night.

Firstly it’s not shariah law. It’s just shariah. Secondly, the shariah isn’t this evil thing to be afraid of, it encompasses many many many things, from healthcare for all, to freedom of religion, to the welfare state, education for all and then a tiny part of it is criminal justice.

you ‘allowed’ me 1 hr to reply to your post before you launched your islamaphobic tirade.

I’m aware of the aceh province, they have a great deal of independence from mainland Indonesia after a bit of a struggle so it’s not the central government.

sedition act? That it’s against the law to bring ill will or spread hatred on the grounds of religion? How awful.

you can’t be that stupid! Of course there are immigrants to other Muslim countries? The uae has a huge expat community and then immigrants from other part of the Muslim world, Malaysia has a sizeable Chinese and Indian community, saudi has western expats and workers from the far east and Indian subcontinent and Syrian and Palestinian refugees, Jordan has the same, Lebanon has the same.

I live here because I like roast dinners, am British (half British and half french) but I am a British citizen from birth, I have lived in Saudi as a child as an expat for 18 months for my parent’s work. why do you live where you live?

really crucially maybe you should ask yourself what does any of the above have to do with swimwear? Or is it just an opportunity for you to try to justify your opinions on Muslims?