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Mvslimah · 2023-05-07T19:28:59+00:00

Honest answers please would you give a woman (maybe Muslim maybe Jewish) a wide berth if you saw them wearing a burkini or modest (Ie fully covered) swimsuit at a pool? if you see a woman wearing one do you give it a second thought or is it just a meh, who cares? tia

RachelGreensHair · 08/05/2023 18:40

@Mvslimah sister you have my full support. There's a South Asian board here that you may find useful. The racism on MN is pathetic.

slimeandfearmetro · 08/05/2023 18:49

CampervanKween · 08/05/2023 17:51

My hair in its natural state is a pre raphaelite birdsnest of craziness. How oppressed am I that I have to tame it to work in a professional field?

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Are you seriously comparing children being sent home from school for wearing their hair as it naturally grows out of their heads and the use of corrosive chemicals by black women to straighten their hair, which is basically compulsory if they want a job, with you having to comb your hair and plait or bun it?

NeverDropYourMooncup · 08/05/2023 18:49

I don't have a problem with it and can't imagine any eventuality where it would be reasonable to take offence. DP might notice and be extra careful not to intrude upon her space - although he doesn't go swimming if he can't wear something that covers him up more than a pair of shorts because he doesn't like exposing his body, either. He covers up at the gym as well.

I also like that there's a term you can search for to find clothes that cover your chest, arms and legs without being skintight or with cutouts or transparent fabrics. It cuts out thousands of things that would be wasting my time on ASOS, M&S, Amazon or any number of other websites. It's certainly not an offensive word, it covers both the nature and the intent behind the clothing choices.

slimeandfearmetro · 08/05/2023 18:50

I dont like seeing women fully covered on a beach. However much you insist its not hot I dont believe it. I also see it as choosing to reject British culture and values.

I see it as not wanting to get sunburned or freeze when I go for a dip, but you do you.

RachelGreensHair · 08/05/2023 18:51

"British culture and values" LOL

Barnbrack · 08/05/2023 18:53

Mvslimah · 07/05/2023 23:16

well if tolerance, freedom and tolerance are such strong British values then I can’t fathom why my wearing basically leggings, a rash vest and a swim skirt would offend you.

thats your inference that a woman’s body is offensive and that’s much more in line with Victorian sensibilities than Islamic values. Islamically we’re told to guard our private parts, that’s all, this is for both men and women. I think you’re deluded if you think that exposure to body parts desexualises them? Women need to cover their breasts here don’t they, men don’t though? A lot of the anti breastfeeding in public sentiment comes from the hypersexualisation of women’s breasts.

how would you know what happens in Muslim communities if you aren’t Muslim?

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Oh does it have a skirt? I love swimsuits with shorts and skirts, I'm an old lady of 40 now though, at 19 I was in a bikini that consisted of triangles and strings.

I would have no problem with a burkini, no problem with a string bikini, no issue with a thong, a woman's clothing choices are up to her.

I WOULD judge anyone complaining about others clothing choices, so someone being an arse because you're in burkini, definitely judge them.

Equally though your comment about 'woukd you encourage your daughter to wear a bikini once she has breasts' is also judgemental. Because yeah, she can wear what she wants, it's her body, she's a little kid just now and so long as it's weather and activity appropriate she can make choices as a toddler, I'd equally be happy for her to do that as a teen.

EasterBreak · 08/05/2023 18:53

I wouldn't give it a second thought. I really love living in such a diverse town.

Vintagecreamandcottagepie · 08/05/2023 18:53

I'd rather see that than women showing their whole arse cheeks flapping about as seems to be the fashion round here.

AngryGreasedSantaCatcus · 08/05/2023 18:55

I see some posters can't even be bothered to hide their contempt anymore. There has been an undercurrent of it for a while on the thread but not it's right out in the open.

Yes it's all OP's fault. If only she'd listen to you and stop doing x,y,z all the evils in the world will be sorted. But she won't. Damn woman!

Jonei · 08/05/2023 18:57

I dont like seeing women fully covered on a beach. However much you insist its not hot I dont believe it. I also see it as choosing to reject British culture and values.

Surely british values should include tolerance towards other people's beliefs.

AngryGreasedSantaCatcus · 08/05/2023 18:57

Nope British values are all about the bikini. Whoop ,whoop!

Jonei · 08/05/2023 18:57

I see some posters can't even be bothered to hide their contempt anymore. There has been an undercurrent of it for a while on the thread but not it's right out in the open.

It's not great.

Jonei · 08/05/2023 18:58

AngryGreasedSantaCatcus · 08/05/2023 18:57

Nope British values are all about the bikini. Whoop ,whoop!

I'm fucked then. I don't strip down at the beach either.

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Mvslimah · 08/05/2023 18:59

Barnbrack · 08/05/2023 18:53

Oh does it have a skirt? I love swimsuits with shorts and skirts, I'm an old lady of 40 now though, at 19 I was in a bikini that consisted of triangles and strings.

I would have no problem with a burkini, no problem with a string bikini, no issue with a thong, a woman's clothing choices are up to her.

I WOULD judge anyone complaining about others clothing choices, so someone being an arse because you're in burkini, definitely judge them.

Equally though your comment about 'woukd you encourage your daughter to wear a bikini once she has breasts' is also judgemental. Because yeah, she can wear what she wants, it's her body, she's a little kid just now and so long as it's weather and activity appropriate she can make choices as a toddler, I'd equally be happy for her to do that as a teen.

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That boob comment was in relation to the barrage of posters asking if I’ll be forcing my daughter to wear one, which for some reason isn’t judgemental but if I ask well, would you encourage your daughter to show off her body, that is?

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EasterBreak · 08/05/2023 18:59

Sorry to hear you had a bad experience. Some people are just idiots. Don't listen to idiots.

phoenixrosehere · 08/05/2023 19:00

I also see it as choosing to reject British culture and values.

Think you need to brush up on what British Values are…

What are British Values?

Fundamental British Values underpin what it is to be a citizen in a modern and diverse Great Britain valuing our community and celebrating diversity of the UK.
These values are Democracy, Rule of Law, Respect and Tolerance, Individual Liberty.

Please point out where it says women can’t wear a burkini.

To ask if you have a problem with the burkini?

Socrateswasrightaboutvoting · 08/05/2023 19:01

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I misread your name as Campervankaren -and actually I think that suits you better. Why would you post that?

RachelGreensHair · 08/05/2023 19:01

British values are wearing a bikini that shows off more than your knickers and bra do. The less fabric the better apparently. Means you're empowered.

recyclemeagain · 08/05/2023 19:03

I know people are being flippant about the British culture and values comment but I do see the point in it.

As a woman, if I were to go to Muslim countries I would be expected to cover up and not express myself in the way I could here in England. However a woman from a Muslim country is not expected to come here and not express her values/faith. England is a Christian country at its core but we do not expect everyone to live/dress/adhere to Christian values.

Now I am in no way saying that we should expect Muslim women to dress in the way Christian, agnostic or aetheist women dress etc. Of course not, that would be controlling, judgemental and ridiculous.
However if it would be controlling, judgemental and ridiculous for that to happen, how is it not controlling, judgemental and ridiculous when Muslim countries enforce such expectations on non-Muslim women?
I do not mean this to be xenophobic (that's the word you're looking for rather than racist) I'm just pointing out the inequality and possible reason behind the British values comment.

recyclemeagain · 08/05/2023 19:04

RachelGreensHair · 08/05/2023 19:01

British values are wearing a bikini that shows off more than your knickers and bra do. The less fabric the better apparently. Means you're empowered.

Wow who's xenophobic now!

RachelGreensHair · 08/05/2023 19:05

Me.

RachelGreensHair · 08/05/2023 19:06

It's true though. Why the need to have your butts hanging out?

SleepDreamThinkHuge · 08/05/2023 19:07

recyclemeagain · 08/05/2023 19:03

I know people are being flippant about the British culture and values comment but I do see the point in it.

As a woman, if I were to go to Muslim countries I would be expected to cover up and not express myself in the way I could here in England. However a woman from a Muslim country is not expected to come here and not express her values/faith. England is a Christian country at its core but we do not expect everyone to live/dress/adhere to Christian values.

Now I am in no way saying that we should expect Muslim women to dress in the way Christian, agnostic or aetheist women dress etc. Of course not, that would be controlling, judgemental and ridiculous.
However if it would be controlling, judgemental and ridiculous for that to happen, how is it not controlling, judgemental and ridiculous when Muslim countries enforce such expectations on non-Muslim women?
I do not mean this to be xenophobic (that's the word you're looking for rather than racist) I'm just pointing out the inequality and possible reason behind the British values comment.

Been Dubai, Turkey and Morocco where a lot of people wear bikinis so that negates your point.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 08/05/2023 19:08

RachelGreensHair · 08/05/2023 19:01

British values are wearing a bikini that shows off more than your knickers and bra do. The less fabric the better apparently. Means you're empowered.

Ah yes, the 'liberation' of being expected to expose as much of your body as a random man might want to see at any time. It's their right, apparently, and any woman who doesn't want to for any reason at all, but particularly if they might have a religious belief, or perhaps a dangerous view that it's their body and they choose how much or how little of it to expose, is insolently rejecting the white male gaze and thereby Our Entire Way of Life.

RachelGreensHair · 08/05/2023 19:11

SleepDreamThinkHuge · 08/05/2023 19:07

Been Dubai, Turkey and Morocco where a lot of people wear bikinis so that negates your point.

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I think many would have a shock if they visited Islamabad and saw how people dress there. Same in dubai, Turkey, Egypt and many other Muslim countries.