To ask if you have a problem with the burkini?

[Mvslimah]

Honest answers please

would you give a woman (maybe Muslim maybe Jewish) a wide berth if you saw them wearing a burkini or modest (Ie fully covered) swimsuit at a pool?

if you see a woman wearing one do you give it a second thought or is it just a meh, who cares?

tia

It's not problematic to me, @Mvslimah . You know what, you started this thread by asking if a woman wearing a burkini would bother us. Loads of us - including me - you can check - said no, not at all. I don't care what you wear or what the Kardashian women wear or anything in between. Be clear though - I have never criticised your faith. This accusation makes me very angry indeed.

Yes but I do think some of the assumptions made on this thread, the poor Muslim woman archetype for instance, should invite those who think this way to do a bit of self reflection and self criticism about why they think this in the first place.
How many people have stopped and asked a Muslim or Jewish lady dressed ‘modestly’ or conservatively at the pool or other wise why she is dressed like that and if she is happy. Bet not. I’d prefer a politely asked question anyway over awkward stares and whispers

there is a misogynistic narrative in the Muslim media, especially social media, im seeing a few Andrew Tate wannabes dress their what can only be described as disdain and contempt for women up as Islam, and this mentality is one must cover as to not tempt men but this is a perversion of the Islamic edict and a gross oversimplification of it. Dressing conservatively and covering up, of both spouses, is preserving your beauty (both spouses) for each other. For women, forcing society to make no judgements on you based on your looks, body etc.

How is any of this relevant to her question of how you’d feel when you are full coverage swimwear?

OP isn’t responsible for all Muslims or all Muslim fashion or the history of swimwear.

Don’t forget the M word… modesty, mustn’t say that either

I’ve not said you have. But it’s baffling to me how you can’t see conflating muslim women in developing nations under repressive theocratic governments to muslim women in a secular democracy is flawed.

I never said that and you know I didn't, so just stop that now.
I'm off now because this needs to end. I will conclude by saying this - I have always respected the faiths of others.
Goodbye to you.

Sorry but what stating ‘women who don’t have choice in the matter’ does, it brings them into a conversation that really doesn’t have anything to do with the would seeing a burkini at your local pool bother you and that’s all I’ve got to say to you 🫶

I would notice, but wouldn't care. In fact I would love one for myself.

My hair in its natural state is a pre raphaelite birdsnest of craziness. How oppressed am I that I have to tame it to work in a professional field?

Women should wear what they want. My dc wore full UV safe wet suits on the beach when they were little, a burkini isn't that much different.

I’m not black so I’m not going to comment on the struggles of some black women because it’s not not my place to speak for them, but I’ve heard stories of a variety of comments being made towards black hair and some women being denied opportunities because of a it. At university there was an intersection with the Islamic society and BAME women and feminist societies I used to hear of it far too often at events

UnfortunatelyOP what you're likely to find is that in some cases female empowerment only goes one way: in the direction of women showing more skin.

It's baked into liberal feminism and conveniently means female empowerment often overlaps with male gaze ideas of female sexuality and female beauty. It's not a coincidence that this is the case. Meanwhile women who opt to cover up are presented as oppressed and not truly choosing.

And then radical feminists at at the back respecting individual women's choices whilst also being interested in the way that women's (as a class) choices stem from a patriarchal society.

If you'd written a thread asking what people would think seeing a woman in a long sleeved rash vest and swim leggings you'd have had a very different set of responses. Because you've said you're a Muslim woman you've had to deal with a lot of ignorance.

The outcome of faith influencing decisions is just as likely to be negative as positive for women in religion, given that organised religions tend to be patriarchal in structure.

Solidarity to you it is great to see Muslim women feeling comfortable swimming something we should all be promoting helping other groups and the barriers they face.

What does this have to dk with whether you are okay with women wearing burkinis in your local pool?

Nothing, it's disingenuous twattery from the PP.

You are just being obtuse now. There are extreme people in every group. Would you ask a Catholic person why there are so many paedophiles in the Church? This guy in the video is an extreme example who most Muslims do not take seriously.

That's just as bigoted as the anti Muslim brigade. Why does female empowerment have to mean excessive flesh on show? What's wrong with being curious about what it really means to have choice and agency as a woman? Whether that be under the watchful patriarchal gaze of a religion or the faux liberation of a patriarchal atheist/agnostic consumerist society and everything in between? People, especially women, are fascinating, what is wrong with curiosity?

@SleepDreamThinkHuge tbf yes people love to ask exactly that to Catholics. I am Catholic. Though I get your point and you're correct- there are extreme people in every place that you find groups of people unfortunately.

@Somebodiesmother Twattery is now my new favourite word 😄 Love it!

Yup, I hate the twattery of all religions and the way it gives abusive men free rein.

Exactly right asking someone on why someone does evil things is stupid. No one should be blamed of the crimes of others.

Abuse happens in all walks of life though. Why do non religious abusive men have free rein?

I'd expect that skirt to restrict your ability to swim freely and would feel sorry for you. I realise you'll tell me it doesnt but you have probably never swum without it. Wouldnt say anything to you about it because I dont police how women dress. I'd rather see that in a swimming pool than a very tiny bikini or a budgie smuggler, I dont want to see a lot of flesh.

I dont like seeing women fully covered on a beach. However much you insist its not hot I dont believe it. I also see it as choosing to reject British culture and values.

In a hot Muslim country I wore long sleeved rash vest and long pants to swim because I didnt want to burn or constantly reapply suncream. So did my husband. That apparently wasnt "modest" enough for the Muslim men who still assume all Western women want them and were offensive if my husband was not with me. I have worked with a muslim man here who had a similar attitude. (No-one would call me unusually attractive ). The attitude of some muslim men to western women sucks. If you perceive hostility it's because you are being seen as supporting that behaviour.