To ask if you have a problem with the burkini?

[Mvslimah]

Honest answers please

would you give a woman (maybe Muslim maybe Jewish) a wide berth if you saw them wearing a burkini or modest (Ie fully covered) swimsuit at a pool?

if you see a woman wearing one do you give it a second thought or is it just a meh, who cares?

tia

I haven't seen anyone in one yet so I would probably check it out. But only from interest. No reasons at all to judge. In fact it's a good thing surely if say, it helps to be more hands on with kids in summer. Would be lovely if if it helps mums play in the water with their kids

Nothing in life is a free choice. Will you encourage your daughter to wear a bikini when she has breasts? My daughter will know about modesty (haya) and she can dress as she pleases within reason

I wouldn't give you a second glance. If I did it would be to think Good on ya 👍
They are the problem. How ill mannered

Wouldn't bat an eye.
Surprisingly enough though, I remember them being banned in many places in Morocco, a muslim country (but then again, it's a French wannabe ex-colony where most people still associate the West with elitism).

^that read as arsey and I didn’t mean it too rather I think we should question as to why to dress modestly is seen as such a big deal, it’s just one of our values

What is the reasoning behind wearing one?

As a Muslim woman myself I am going on a holiday and have bought myself a Burkini to wear. I have bought it so I can feel modest and comfortable and it is my own choice nobody has forced me. My sister's will be wearing swimsuits each have their own preference and for me my preference is a Burkini.

@slimeandfearmetro

I was being facetious,but in all seriousness there's an acceptance of men's bodies and hairy bits or bodily fluids that just isn't for women. And the words unhygienic, not being or feeling clean, minging ,dirty ,grodd etc get thrown around a lot . Just check out any thread about shaving for example. However that's a whole other thread.

Or maybe it's witchcraft. Or portals. I honestly don't know, and none of the posters that decided unhygienic is based on length have actually managed to clarify why.

I would notice, it would stand out where I currently live as it's not very diverse (deepest Southwest).
I'd feel sorry that anyone thinks they need to cover up so much but up to them. Actually reading the OP's replies and explanations only I'm even more against religious connotations of modesty, WTF you have to cover up in front of even other women, and men can't wear red or don't trust a scholar if you can see his hair. Like it makes no logical sense, and as concepts sounds harmful and body shaming. Passing those views down to children is quite sad.
I wouldn't voice any of this to someone in the pool, but I don't really believe that all these behaviours, when dictated by a religion, are actually a choice. That goes for all religions, I'm not in favour of any.

@girlfriend44 i think the same when I see almost naked women trying to get attention from men or someone. Such a shame that they degrade themselves for others, bowing down to get their bits out for attention.

Even worse when showing off their boobs and bums while with their own family and friends!
Never understood why it’s deemed fine for anyone to sit around in public wearing what is essentially underwear, just because you’re on holiday!!
I do wish more people had more respect for their own body and for those of us who don’t want to see it

As a stranger, I'd be curious and look, but friendly look (so I'd smile of you looked back etc), if DS asked I'd tell him different people like to wear different stuff.

I don't have a problem with anyone's choices but I probably would have noticed something that isn't standard/typical for our society. I would have noticed and moved on though. I wouldn't think to comment on it.

I think in a British society extreme religious wear has the opposite affect to the intention. Instead of noticing a woman less she is noticed more. In societies where this wear is normal day to day I know my usual clothing would be the unusual so more noticed. A woman in a Burka here definitely stands our in a way they wouldn't in a culture this was the norm, for example.

I think it is very ignorant for people to feel sorry for us or tell us we are bowing down to what men want. We have our own choice to express ourselves as we wish.

You don't need to feel sorry for someone if they don't wish to have their own body on display. We can do as we wish without judgment.

Yes, woman's body isn't something that needs to be ashamed of or covered up or dehumanised. It's not suitable attire for swimmimg. There is no free choice in it. Supporting this is supporting misogyny and oppression of women.
A lot of people on mumsnet will say it's her choice, but it almost never is and there are consequences for not to.
It normalises slut shaming, victim blaming, the need for "modest clothing", men as unable to contain their libido, or control their impulses, etc.
If you'd worded this as should I cover my hair, legs, ankles, arms, elbows, chest, bum or whatever to stop arousing males ot men lusting after me you'd get very different replies compared to when you mention religions. Many users know nothing about other religions and will okay any abuse or oppression on religuois or cultural grounds, just so they don't get called the r word. Which they like to use for others as they just don't get it.

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I noticed a lady earlier in the week wearing one. My only thought... bloody hell she must be warm... I'm currently abroad and it was over 30

Couldn’t give a shit. People can wear what they like

I'd notice as no one wears one where I live but I wouldn't give a monkeys... if the wearer feels happy on it, each to their own.

I would give anyone who I heard referring to female clothing as 'modest' a very wide berth, I think it's an absolutely disgusting attitude and has absolutely no place whatsoever in modern society. I wear a swimsuit and don't cover my hair, am I immodest? I wear knee-length skirts and v-neck tops, am I begging for sex? At the gym I wear leggings and a tight vest top, if I get raped wearing that will it be my fault as no man can be expected to resist me when I'm so brazenly advertising my wares? Modesty is behaviour, not clothing - and I would say sneering at and using offensive slurs against other women because they don't hide their body under baggy clothing like it's something to be ashamed of is pretty fucking immodest! I am not going to be hiding my elbows because your man can't control himself if he catches a glimpse and I do hope that you will teach your children that what a person - female or male - wears has no bearing on their character. I'd much, much rather a woman with her bits hanging out who isn't judgemental and who treats others with kindness and grace than someone shuffling around in a burka who considers themselves more 'modest' than other women.

There is absolutely nothing ‘immodest’ about human body parts. To make them immodest implies intent on the owner of said body parts. I have breasts and I have a bum and I have thighs and they are not immodest nor sexual unless I want them to be.

I’m equally fine with people wearing bikinis if they want to. Absolutely nothing wrong with that either. It’s just a body, we all have one!

@Mvslimah

Nothing in life is a free choice. - well, that’s not completely true?

Will you encourage your daughter to wear a bikini when she has breasts? - of course not, but I also won’t be encouraging her to cover them either. It’ll be their choice.

I think we should question as to why to dress modestly is seen as such a big deal. - I have absolutely 0 problem with modesty, again as I say my concern is always whether it is chosen and not forced.

Incidentally I have young daughters & I don’t buy them bikinis or standard swimming costumes. I buy them the long swim suit types because I am just more comfortable with that. So I really don’t have any issue with modesty, but of course… I won’t be telling my 10, 15, 21 year old daughter who wants to wear a bikini she cannot…

Do you know any Muslim women who are forbidden from wearing a more standard swimsuit/bikini?

I believe the material is made to keep the women at an agreeable temperature. Similarly to wetsuits and diving suits.

So is op lying when she says it's her choice or is she just so oppressed she can't possibly tell?

By telling OP she can't wear a burkini and instead must wear something that shows off her flesh, aren't you too trying to control her?

I'd probably think I should get one for myself to hide my post-baby tummy and cellulite and ensure I don't get sunburned.