To think Camilla should not have been crowned Queen

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She should have been Princess Consort as we were told she would be. Instead the usual airbrushing of history to try and make her acceptable by clever spinning. And positive press. Bit sickening since Edward VIII had to abdicate over marrying a divorced woman.

She should have remained Camilla Queen Consort.

That is what The Queen EII specifically requested latterly. Not princess consort, or Queen.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60274816

You're religious too are you OP?! 😂

In the 1930s the Church of England didn't allow remarriage for divorcees so marriage to Wallis Simson would have been incompatible with the king's role as defender of the faith.

He’s not a widower…..Diana died after they were divorced! Fgs she’s the queen end of….get over it

If you’re a British citizen she is though, whether you consent to that or not. That’s how monarchy works.

Royal families throughout history have all been rabid shaggers with illegitimate children all over the place. I don't think there's any point getting all pearl clutchy about it. It's a different world and they don't give a shit what us plebs think anyway.

The level of historical ignorance on MN is baffling.
Camilla is the Queen because she is the wife of the King, in exactly the same way that Queen Elizabeth (later the Queen Mother), or Queen Mary or Anne Boleyn were in their day. There is literally nothing unusual about this. It’s how it has always been in Britain since the Middle Ages. Why do some people apparently find this difficult to understand?

Thankfully times have changed OP. The 1930’s are calling, they want you back 🙄

So if anything happened to the waleses and Harry was crowned king, you’d presumably have the same complaint about Meghan being queen too, right?

This. I think Camilla is fabulous

For goodness sake, it's been more than 25 years and the St Diana Fanclub are still complaining. Move on!

Unless you are 1 of the 3 people involved in that you have no idea what actually went on.

You've just chosen to believe the narrative you want to.

The wife of a king is a queen. She is queen consort to differentiate queen consort from queen regnant in other words a queen in her own right. Men who marry a queen regnant do not become king as that takes precedence over a queen. Unless we have the situation of William and Mary who reigned together.
So, that is the situation, now can we just get on with it.

@Inkpotlover I didn’t read this as her worth as a woman.

I read this as the start of a debate about if it is time or not to start breaking with traditions and a discussion about the corrupt family who break the rules when it suits them and not when it doesn’t.

I think Camilla is great- she obviously makes Charles happy and she really has played the long game here to be queen and thoroughly deserves the title.

A) No he isn't. Diana was not his wife when she died.

B) Are you aware of how the Church of England came about? And you think it's incompatible with remarrying while your ex still lives?

C) If the Archbishop of Canterbury doesn't see the problem, I think you can assume it's fine by the Church.

I seem to remember that it said on Charles’ website that she wouldn’t be, then that was removed.
‘I seem to remember him saying there wouldn’t be a bank holiday either.

He was a divorcee first 🙄

Hang on, how do you manage to claim to be "so interested" and "so bored" with the same thing in the same post?

Seems to me there is plenty of interesting, intelligent discussion in this thread, though OP doesn't really seem to be that keen to come back to explain her views.

Now that the succession is chronological and no longer discriminates based on sex, the titles for the monarch's spouse should be equalised: either (e.g.) Prince Philip > Princess Camilla or King Philip > Queen Camilla. But you can't pick and choose among individuals and change the rules each time. Just as it's not possible to say Charles: no, Andrew: no, Anne or Edward: hmmm... yes we also can't say Philip OK, Diana OK, Camilla not OK, Kate OK, Meghan not OK, etc. The monarch's the monarch, the monarch's spouse is the monarch's spouse. If you want to pick people, don't have a monarchy.

It's got absolutely nothing to do with you

It’s not the 1930’s

She is queen consort to differentiate queen consort from queen regnant in other words a queen in her own right.

She is. But the Queen specifically asked that Camilla’s title remain ‘Queen Consort’ rather than Queen. A typically diplomatic and wise suggestion.

The Queen Consort is the Queen. Always has been. Queen Alexandra, Queen Mary and Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother were all Queen Consort. A fact that Queen Elizabeth II obviously knew perfectly well - she was simply saying that she wanted Camilla to be Queen Consort (and therefore Queen) rather than Princess Consort.

'In the eyes of the church'.
Wrong church OP. It's the Catholics that don't allow divorce and remarriage.
Monarch is (literally the Head of) Church of England.