To think Camilla should not have been crowned Queen

[Viviennemary]

She should have been Princess Consort as we were told she would be. Instead the usual airbrushing of history to try and make her acceptable by clever spinning. And positive press. Bit sickening since Edward VIII had to abdicate over marrying a divorced woman.

The wife of the King is the Queen.

And that's all there is to it.

I wonder what would happen if Prince George ends up being gay. Would they allow him to marry a chap?

I don't understand the Diana worship. From my perspective she was a young girl who courted a prince and went ahead with a marriage to a man she knew loved someone else- maybe she naively thought he'd fall in love with her- and I don't believe she was ever truly in love with him either. Both Charles and Diana were victims of the Family's pressure for him to find a suitable wife.

When it became clear that her life and marriage were not turning out as she imagined they might she became, understandably bitter. She also became quite a manipulative woman in the end and played the press to her own advantage- successfully jading Charles' reputation for her own revenge.

Who cares? He is the King so his wife is the queen. That's the way the monarchy works. Does it really matter to anyone who the queen consort is?

Of course it's about her worthiness and it's disingenuous to suggest otherwise. If she was a divorcee who had come onto the scene after his marriage to Diana had ended, people would not give a jot about them marrying in the eyes of the church. It's 2023, marriages end, people should be able to remarry freely, even kings – which he did, eighteen years ago. Which means, as his wife of almost two decades (far longer than he was married to Diana) she is absolutely deserving of the title Queen.

Its not only the fact she is divorced. She was Charles's mistress for many years. Never gave his marriage a chance. Lets whotewash all that.

Err not the first time that's happened. Ann Boleyn and possibly Jane Seymour were mistresses elevated to Queen.

In theological terms - yes.

In those same terms, he was only committing adultery until the day she died. As soon as she did, he wasn't.

Wedding vows are only until death. After that, even the most religious (bar historical accounts in other faiths) are free to marry in a religious sense.

I think it's sad that Charles was not allowed to marry Camilla in the first place, it would have saved a lot of heartache all round.

That would be an interesting conundrum.

I couldn't care less about the whole monarchy, but I am very glad that most of the world, OP excepted, has got over the stupid stigma around divorce. It's pathetic that some people still cling to it.

Ooh, interesting curveball! I would hope so.

At no point did QEII say she did not want Camilla to be called Queen.

It's 2023 having a King and Queen is nuts but there you go. She's Queen, it won't affect you or impact your life unless that's you Harry?

The were both adulterous. Watched the ceremony as interested in history.

@Viviennemary Princess Margaret who wanted to marry a divorced man wasn't allowed to in 1959/60 and Edward VIII had to abdicate in 1937.

Princess Anne (divorcee) had to marry in Scotland in order to have a church wedding to Tim Lawrence in 1992. She wasn't allowed a church wedding in England.

Charles and Camilla got married in a registry office then had a blessing in 2005. Similar to Anne.

Whereas Meghan (another divorcee) and Harry got married in church in Windsor in 2018.

Times change. If they didn't we'd have watch Harry and Meghan having a blessing instead of a wedding in Windsor.

As for the Diana vs Camilla issue.

1. Had Charles got his act together and talked his parents/Queen Mother round, he'd have been married to Camilla since the late 70s/early 80s and Diana would never have been known.

2. Yes they had an affair (not good - no one has ever said it was). But Diana and Charles were worlds apart. He loved fishing/shooting/country life. She loved city life, hot holidays, fashion etc., The chances of those two lasting even without Camilla was slim. They'd either had divorced or hobbled on in a loveless marriage I think.

3. If they had divorced and Charles had not married again, we'd have had a King without a wife on the throne.

4. If he'd divorced Diana and married, later, a divorcee called 'Lady Samantha of Townville', would that be OK (because it's not Camilla) or not (because she was a divorcee?) Too many people seem to be using the divorcee argument when they really mean they don't like Camilla because she 'broke up a marriage'. But it takes two to tango and a marriage doesn't break unless there are cracks already.

5. Whether Camilla is Queen or Queen Consort doesn't make a lot of difference to ordinary people. The Queen Mother married a King and was Queen Elizabeth, King George VI (and Edward VIII) mum was Queen Mary and their Grandmother was Queen Alexandra. Every woman who has married a King has been a Queen Consort (to my knowledge) and we have never referred to them as such. Always Queen.

6. Charles and Diana were already divorced when she died. Therefore Charles is a divorcee too. Even if she'd died the day after their divorce, he'd still have been a divorcee. So neither of them 'were free to marry in the eyes of the church' - although that also then applies to Meghan of course, if you still hold with that claptrap.

Read your history for goodness sake.

Whether she wanted her to or not is irrelevant. The wife of a King is a Queen. That’s all there is to it. The public aren’t required to like it.

I agree but then again I think the whole royal family is outdated and ridiculous. But the fact of the matter is that the Queen couldn’t make Prince Philip King so why isn’t she then Princess Camilla. Sexist

great to see things have moved on

They really are and conveniently forgetting Diana cheated first and had affairs with married men after her marriage ended.

How does Camilla being queen impact on your life day to day?

I think that Camilla wanted to marry APB.

This!

I'm absolutely delighted that there is now a Queen Camilla for the UK

For nothing else other than to wind up the sad sacks weeping and wailing over St Diana

Whenever someone says queen, I assume they’re talking about Liz. I think it’ll take a while before it computes with a lot of people.

Misses point of OP completely.

She was princess consort because she was married to a Prince. Now he's a king, of course she automatically upgrades to queen consort.