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whynotwhatknot · 06/05/2023 16:31

why dontg they drag climate change protestors off the road then-thats a disruption isnt it

cakeorwine · 06/05/2023 16:32

HadalyEve · 06/05/2023 16:29

Are you having a laugh? You don’t go to a protest and then lock your bundles of placards to a lamp post and vans come standard with their own locks.

We will only find out the truth of what happened when they are released.

Which they will be.

The police have scored a massive own goal. Unless of course, they wanted to be arrested. Which is another possibility.

Which in that case means the police massively fucked up by arresting them. They could have confiscated the lock up devices. And let them carry on.

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HadalyEve · 06/05/2023 16:34

cakeorwine · 06/05/2023 16:27

I think you are getting your protestors mixed up.

It seems there were Just stop oil protestors there as well.

What do you think the Republic staff were arrested for?

”Republic said five of its supporters had been arrested and hundreds of its placards seized.”

”An officer at the scene near the square said three republican protesters had been arrested for carrying paint.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-06/the-coronation-of-king-charles-iii-at-westminster-abbey/102312972

“According to the Metropolitan Police, four people were arrested today with lock-on devices on “on suspicion of conspiracy to cause public nuisance.”
https://time.com/6277591/anti-monarchy-protesters-arrested-king-charles-coronation/

King Charles crowned at Westminster Abbey, Prince William pledges allegiance

King Charles III has been crowned at London's Westminster Abbey in Britain's biggest ceremonial event for seven decades, after police earlier arrested several republican protesters.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-06/the-coronation-of-king-charles-iii-at-westminster-abbey/102312972

cakeorwine · 06/05/2023 16:34

I can just hear the radio conversation.

"We've got the CEO of Republic here. They are carrying placards and a padlock"
"Arrest them"
"But they are being filmed by the media and he is the CEO. Couldn't we just confiscate the padlock"

"No. Arrest them. That will teach them a lesson"

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3dogsandarabbit · 06/05/2023 16:34

DuncinToffee - I agree with that, I don't want people glueing themselves to the road if that means I can't get to hospital or a job interview.

HadalyEve · 06/05/2023 16:34

whynotwhatknot · 06/05/2023 16:31

why dontg they drag climate change protestors off the road then-thats a disruption isnt it

They can now. Thank god.

DuncinToffee · 06/05/2023 16:36

https://twitter.com/PeterTatchell/status/1654864905214763009?s=20

Police broke their promise that our anti-monarchy protest could go ahead. They arrested Republic’s key organisers, confiscated Republic’s official placards, photographed us like we were criminals & erected barriers in front of our protest so the king would not see us

whynotwhatknot · 06/05/2023 16:36

HadalyEve · 06/05/2023 16:34

They can now. Thank god.

i'll belive it when i see it

DuncinToffee · 06/05/2023 16:36

3dogsandarabbit · 06/05/2023 16:34

DuncinToffee - I agree with that, I don't want people glueing themselves to the road if that means I can't get to hospital or a job interview.

Does this happen a lot to you?

3dogsandarabbit · 06/05/2023 16:39

DuncingToffee - Once is enough.

HadalyEve · 06/05/2023 16:40

cakeorwine · 06/05/2023 16:32

We will only find out the truth of what happened when they are released.

Which they will be.

The police have scored a massive own goal. Unless of course, they wanted to be arrested. Which is another possibility.

Which in that case means the police massively fucked up by arresting them. They could have confiscated the lock up devices. And let them carry on.

I don’t understand. Person A carries a prohibited item to a protest with illegal intent to use it and with the intent to get arrested. If they intended to get arrested, they obviously must have flaunted it in front of the police “look what I got ha ha, you going to arrest me?”

You are saying that the police then have “massively fucked up” by arresting them? How? That’s the job of the police. If someone literally trying to get arrested, showing they have prohibited items and saying they intend to use them illegally why should the police confiscate and let them carry on?

Do the police even have the power to turn a blind eye? They’re not supposed to pick and choose when to enforce the law, and yet by saying the police have massively fucked up by arresting people trying to get arrested you are acting like the police should turn a blind eye.

cakeorwine · 06/05/2023 16:41

I don’t understand. Person A carries a prohibited item to a protest with illegal intent to use it and with the intent to get arrested. If they intended to get arrested, they obviously must have flaunted it in front of the police “look what I got ha ha, you going to arrest me?

You don't understand?

Can you see the effect this arrest has had?

There are ways of dealing with a situation. Of deescalating.

All this has done is awaken many people and enrage them.

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HadalyEve · 06/05/2023 16:42

DuncinToffee · 06/05/2023 16:36

https://twitter.com/PeterTatchell/status/1654864905214763009?s=20

Police broke their promise that our anti-monarchy protest could go ahead. They arrested Republic’s key organisers, confiscated Republic’s official placards, photographed us like we were criminals & erected barriers in front of our protest so the king would not see us

I don’t think any promises were made about bringing the King to view the protest. Lol.

GladAllOver · 06/05/2023 16:42

You might at least get your thread title right. 'holding a banner' ?
According the report there were, amongst other things, hundreds of banners. That sounds like a serious attempt at disruption of a public event.

vera99 · 06/05/2023 16:42

I don't normally agree with Brendan O'Neil - but he is spot on here. I've donated 25 quid to the cause and will join their next protest in London if I can.

  • The shame of the coronation arrests
  • Punishing republicans is deeply undemocratic

What century is this? I ask because today, in London, peaceful protesters have been handcuffed and arrested for daring to express disapproval of King Charles. For daring to believe Britain should be a republic, not a constitutional monarchy. This is a grotesque assault on freedom. It is borderline medieval. No one’s feelings, not even the King’s, should ever trump the people’s right to freely express their beliefs in public.

‘Give me the liberty to know, to utter, and to argue freely according to conscience, above all liberties’The footage coming out of Trafalgar Square shames Britain. We’ve seen protesters in ‘Not My King’ t-shirts being arrested. Cops apparently seized hundreds of placards. Graham Smith, the head of the campaign group Republic, has reportedly been arrested too. ‘Is this democracy?’, Republic has asked. No, it is not. A serious democracy does not put people in police vans for saying things it disapproves of.

Some argue that the coronation is not the right place to make a political statement. I disagree. The coronation itself is a political statement. It is a loud, noisy, pomp-filled declaration that Britain remains a monarchy and that Charles, by divine right, is our King. This is the perfect event for republican dissent, for the peaceful expression of an alternative view. Namely, that Charles should not be King; that no one should be.

I agreed with those who said it would have been unseemly, if not outright immoral, for republicans to protest during the Queen’s funeral. Though my commitment to freedom of speech and the right to protest means I would have opposed even the punishment of any idiot who gatecrashed such a solemn occasion with political grandstanding. Republic itself carried out no actions in that period of mourning, on the basis that it would have been ‘inappropriate’. Quite right.

But the coronation is a different beast entirely. The state is spending millions of pounds enthroning its new head, declaring before the world that this man, Charles, is the British sovereign. Citizens must have every right in such circumstances to say, ‘No, we disagree’. As publicly as they please.

Yes, disrupting the coronation, by blocking roads, for example, would have been irritating, as likely to cause annoyance to ordinary people who admire the monarchy as to the monarchy itself. But gathering in a public square to express republican sentiments ought to be entirely acceptable. That it seemingly isn’t – that cops have cleared away these unwashed plebs for the crime of dissing the King – is chilling. It should outrage everyone who believes in freedom.

This obscene interference in the freedom of republican dissent is a taste of things to come under the government’s Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Act, which severely curtails the right to protest. This country has a great, proud tradition of fighting for the right to petition, to speak, to protest, to state one’s grievances against authority. That these rights are now being treated so cavalierly by officialdom, to the extent of anti-monarchy protesters being bundled into cop cars, is disgraceful. We need a great pushback against the government’s anti-protest laws.

I’m not protesting today, but I am a republican. I sincerely hope Charles and Camilla enjoy their day, but I wish this day wasn’t happening. Even if I were a monarchist, though, I hope I would be horrified by the sight of police preventing people from giving voice to their moral convictions. We forget the importance of freedom of speech – to democracy, to the good life, to civilisation itself – at our peril.

Let us give the final word to one of Britain’s greatest republicans, John Milton: ‘Give me the liberty to know, to utter, and to argue freely according to conscience, above all liberties.’

British republicans hold back for Queen’s funeral but plan future protests

Campaign group says Monday events would not have been ‘appropriate’ but points to falling support for monarchy

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/19/british-republicans-hold-back-for-queens-funeral-but-plan-future-protests

HadalyEve · 06/05/2023 16:42

cakeorwine · 06/05/2023 16:41

I don’t understand. Person A carries a prohibited item to a protest with illegal intent to use it and with the intent to get arrested. If they intended to get arrested, they obviously must have flaunted it in front of the police “look what I got ha ha, you going to arrest me?

You don't understand?

Can you see the effect this arrest has had?

There are ways of dealing with a situation. Of deescalating.

All this has done is awaken many people and enrage them.

I’m not enraged. It seems most of those who are have tinfoil hats and think they were arrested for thought crimes.

DuncinToffee · 06/05/2023 16:43

HadalyEve · 06/05/2023 16:42

I don’t think any promises were made about bringing the King to view the protest. Lol.

That's not what he was saying now, was it?

HadalyEve · 06/05/2023 16:43

GladAllOver · 06/05/2023 16:42

You might at least get your thread title right. 'holding a banner' ?
According the report there were, amongst other things, hundreds of banners. That sounds like a serious attempt at disruption of a public event.

And no one was arrested for holding a banner. It’s click bait to generate faux outrage over something that did not happen.

cakeorwine · 06/05/2023 16:44

Do the police even have the power to turn a blind eye? They’re not supposed to pick and choose when to enforce the law, and yet by saying the police have massively fucked up by arresting people trying to get arrested you are acting like the police should turn a blind eye

If the police saw a device that could be used for locking up / or could just be there for another purpose, what do you think they could have done?

Having the power of arrest does not mean that power has to be automatically used.

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HadalyEve · 06/05/2023 16:46

DuncinToffee · 06/05/2023 16:43

That's not what he was saying now, was it?

The first bit is a porkie.
Police broke their promise that our anti-monarchy protest could go ahead.

No they didnt. They had their protest. And the person is even complaining that the police photographed them protesting as proof the protest happened as promised no doubt.

The last bit is a bit pathetic
erected barriers in front of our protest so the king would not see us
lol. Like the King seeing the protest was a promise! 🤣

Tarantullah · 06/05/2023 16:46

HadalyEve · 06/05/2023 16:43

And no one was arrested for holding a banner. It’s click bait to generate faux outrage over something that did not happen.

Welcome to the Internet!

pointythings · 06/05/2023 16:47

If the police saw a device that could be used for locking up / or could just be there for another purpose, what do you think they could have done?

Having the power of arrest does not mean that power has to be automatically used.

Exactly. It would have been easy to confiscate the devices but let the protests go on. That would also not have given the international press so much juicy material that makes the UK look bad.

cakeorwine · 06/05/2023 16:47

HadalyEve · 06/05/2023 16:43

And no one was arrested for holding a banner. It’s click bait to generate faux outrage over something that did not happen.

I should have used the "threatened with arrest for holding a blank piece of paper"

People against monarchy 'have right to protest', police say - after man with a blank sign confronted | UK News | Sky News

Because what he might write on the sign could offend people.

People against monarchy 'have right to protest', police say - after man with a blank sign confronted

The Met says it is "aware" of a video shared online in which a man is told he might "offend people" if he writes "Not my King" on a piece of paper.

https://news.sky.com/story/people-against-monarchy-have-right-to-protest-police-say-after-man-with-a-blank-sign-confronted-12696164

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vera99 · 06/05/2023 16:47

I wonder how many of those criticising the protest would have been against the suffragettes as well on whose giant shoulders we stand and lest we forget planted nail bombs in Westminster Abbey and many other churches.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffragette_bombing_and_arson_campaign

Suffragette bombing and arson campaign - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffragette_bombing_and_arson_campaign

Just4ThisThread · 06/05/2023 16:49

The police have no problem turning a blind eye to the many dangerous individuals in their organisation but someone with a megaphone is to be arrested? Fuck me, how are people ok with this?

Don’t even start me on the nonsense posts re horses being spooked so police would get in trouble, does anyone genuinely think the police are the slightest bit arsed about being trouble? In trouble with who?