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calimali · 06/05/2023 09:14

It is the removal of a human right - the right to peaceful protest.

I am ashamed that a country that has always prided itself on being a free, democratic country in the modern world no longer can make that claim. What an example to set for other countries with a less than glorious human rights records.

limitedperiodonly · 06/05/2023 09:14

It was reported on R4's Today programme a few minutes after the arrests that the police may have found items which could be used by protesters to chain themselves to lampposts and other immovable street furniture or joining themselves together in a human chain across the route.

They appear to be things that were wrapped around the placards. They could have been chains etc which were just holding the placards together so they were easy to carry before handing out. Or they might have been for another purpose.

One side is mistaken or lying. Who knows, which it is?

People have the right to peaceful protest - and peaceful doesn't mean standing there like a dummy. And the police have gone in there with their hobnail boots on many occasions going back years. Often their arrests have resulted in few, or sometimes no charges, but the protest is ended anyway. But they also have to police it which includes preventing an obstruction.

I don't know.

Forfrigz · 06/05/2023 09:15

Unless they happened to do it on private land where it might be possible to arrest someone for this, if they were on public land it's appalling.

cakeorwine · 06/05/2023 09:17

Distrust in the police is low. This just serves to make it lower. And to make people angrier.

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Oldsu · 06/05/2023 09:17

Trouble is the protesters wont be monitoring who joins them and therefore could be infiltrated by people who want to do serious harm, not to the RF they wont get near them but possibly to innocent bystanders. Its good they were stopped

GreeboIsMySpiritAnimal · 06/05/2023 09:17

XBealtaine · 06/05/2023 08:59

Do they have the right to protest today though?

Is every day equal or can they be democratically prevented from protesting this one day out of 365 in 70 years? I'm Irish, so hardly invested in to the longevity of the monarchy but ruining a day that means a lot to other people, is that about exercising a democratic right ? or about ruining something a slight majority (?) wants. Like I say, I don't understand how the nuances of all of that are democratic or anti-democratic..

When is a better time to protest the coronation than on the day of the coronation?

cakeorwine · 06/05/2023 09:20

Oldsu · 06/05/2023 09:17

Trouble is the protesters wont be monitoring who joins them and therefore could be infiltrated by people who want to do serious harm, not to the RF they wont get near them but possibly to innocent bystanders. Its good they were stopped

Maybe all protests should be banned, just in case.

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DuchessOfPort · 06/05/2023 09:20

I thought there was a place specifically for them to protest that they were allowed to be in? It’s really important that they’re allowed to protest - not violently or aggressively or injure any one or really seriously disrupt but exercise their rights.

spottybug · 06/05/2023 09:23

DuchessOfPort · 06/05/2023 09:20

I thought there was a place specifically for them to protest that they were allowed to be in? It’s really important that they’re allowed to protest - not violently or aggressively or injure any one or really seriously disrupt but exercise their rights.

Ah right so there's like a protest section? Good idea

cakeorwine · 06/05/2023 09:23

DuchessOfPort · 06/05/2023 09:20

I thought there was a place specifically for them to protest that they were allowed to be in? It’s really important that they’re allowed to protest - not violently or aggressively or injure any one or really seriously disrupt but exercise their rights.

There was supposed to be a place for people to protest.

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Otherland · 06/05/2023 09:24

What an awful country. I despair.

Down With The Crown
#NotMyKing

cakeorwine · 06/05/2023 09:25

There was talk this morning about this Coronation bringing the country together

Acts like this don't help.

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Boomboom22 · 06/05/2023 09:27

They bring people together in either
Shared annoyance about those nasty violent protestors who want to kill the king!
Or shared outrage at the law. Either way creating solidarity!

Stakesarehighsoami · 06/05/2023 09:29

Protest on any other day. They shouldn’t be allowed to ruin this day for people. Or if they do want to protest today then do it somewhere else.

Farmerama1 · 06/05/2023 09:29

From Republic’s website:

Most people in the UK believe in democratic values and the importance of democracy in creating a prosperous and fair society. These principles and values matter. So our national institutions should reflect and celebrate those values, and live up to the highest standards of openness and accountability.

The monarchy stands firmly against these principles, instead representing exclusion, elitism and hereditary power and privilege at the expense of everyone else. It forces us to compromise our commitment to democracy to make room for this feudal institution.

Sign up now

https://www.republic.org.uk/get_our_emails

ejbaxa · 06/05/2023 09:30

It’s not on to protest at the coronation. It’s a useless and embarrassing action today and I’m glad these people were arrested. I’m indifferent to the monarchy, but I do think that it was right to arrest these people. They are in a tiny minority and they are not being hurt or oppressed by having Charles as king.

MyUsernameIsBetterThanYours · 06/05/2023 09:30

This country is so fucked right now.

Anyone should be able to turn up and say they're not happy with a publicly funded monarchy, or a monarchy full stop.

When did the UK become so utterly unable to hear a dissenting view without having an absolute meltdown?

Let people say whatever they want about whatever they want, including views that might be considered offensive or horrible, as long as its not inciting violence.

OneFrenchEgg · 06/05/2023 09:31

ejbaxa · 06/05/2023 09:30

It’s not on to protest at the coronation. It’s a useless and embarrassing action today and I’m glad these people were arrested. I’m indifferent to the monarchy, but I do think that it was right to arrest these people. They are in a tiny minority and they are not being hurt or oppressed by having Charles as king.

I fundamentally disagree. Charles and his ilk should not be shielded from protest or disagreement - that has shades of dictatorship. We should not be frightened to directly demonstrate in front of those with power.

cakeorwine · 06/05/2023 09:31

Freedom of speech?
British values?

We have lost the right to lecture other countries on their behaviour.

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polkadotdalmation · 06/05/2023 09:32

They can protest peacefully. Why should people with huge placards and megaphones ruin other people's enjoyment?

They can protest peacefully with small signs, but their rights do not trump others rights. It's nothing to do with free speech, you've only to look at social media. Free speech is alive and well.

CherryCokeFanatic · 06/05/2023 09:32

Discusting from Tory Gov and the Police. If Police ever strike over pay they should arrest themselves. Twats.

MyUsernameIsBetterThanYours · 06/05/2023 09:33

Stakesarehighsoami · 06/05/2023 09:29

Protest on any other day. They shouldn’t be allowed to ruin this day for people. Or if they do want to protest today then do it somewhere else.

They're in a public space, they have a right to express their views. You don't have a right to go out into public and be protected from hearing and seeing things you don't like.

HeidiUpTheMountain · 06/05/2023 09:34

Blame this unprincipled, desperate, extremist cabal of a government, which brought in these draconian new laws. And FFS, stop voting Tory!

Icequeen01 · 06/05/2023 09:35

Of course we should let them protest peacefully but, let's face it, the chances of that happening are low. There are going to be families there today with children. Would you let a growling dog into a room with a child saying I'm sure it will be ok? We will take a chance?

polkadotdalmation · 06/05/2023 09:35

A protest I saw on tv was megaphones and huge signs. Not peaceful. Anyone protesting at anything and ruining it for others piss me off. Those twats gluing themselves to the highway or climbing up high buildings, all need arresting,