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thanksamillion · 06/05/2023 10:36

As far as I can tell the narrative that they weren't where they'd agreed to be is false. They were unloading the van and it's entirely possible that was a little way from the agreed point. I imagine it's fairly hard to get a vehicle anywhere in central London today.

Their Twitter is saying that they are on the other side of the monument that they were expecting to be but that is hardly a long way away! If they'd wholeheartedly moved it would be tricky for the many supporters to find them - it wouldn't be in their interest. They have been very open all week about where they'd be and have had multiple meetings with authorities to agree it!

Tarantullah · 06/05/2023 10:36

cakeorwine · 06/05/2023 10:35

Fuck off with the hyperbole, it's offensive

People get arrested for protesting in those countries.

Granted we don't get long jail sentences. I think it's 6 months now but it can be more if it's disruptive.

Oh - and unlimited fines as well.

And yet it's nothing like the reality in those countries.

Erex · 06/05/2023 10:36

HadalyEve · 06/05/2023 10:31

Lol, there’s a lot more to the story than “arrested for getting out of a van”
😅

Apparently they and the van were not where they agreed if the reports on here are anything to go by.

I’ll take my chances on the “no protest day” after all this day is 1 in 25,550 days. The odds are in my favour.

I don’t find child safety ridiculous at all. Children have been trampled to death in peaceful protests.

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"Apparently"... "if the reports are anything to go by"...

Well, no. If you're this happy to go along with arrests for protesting, you have to deal with facts, not a MNer posting what happened.

Apparently @HadalyEve is planning to disrupt the coronation as a protest against the monarchy! - See, easy as that.

But it sounds like as long as you aren't affected, it's okay in your eyes.

OchonAgusOchonOh · 06/05/2023 10:37

pointythings · 06/05/2023 09:45

These arrests are extremely Minority Report. No crime has been committed. No law has been broken. And yet people have been arrested, and the comments on here are terrifying in their sheep-like obedience.

This 100%.

Mind you, as an Irish person who remembers internment, it's not exactly without precedence in the UK.

Prescottdanni123 · 06/05/2023 10:37

Imagine, a 'peaceful' protestor throws something, either at someone or deliberately at one of the horses. The horse spooks and throws his rider off, who is seriously injured upon landing. Other horses panic. One careers towards the barrier, behind which is a large crowd of members of the public. Because the police officers standing guard and the barrier can do fuck all against that much horse flesh, the public panic and run. People get trampled in all the chaos, possibly to death. All because the police trusted protestors to be peaceful. It could happen. With so many people present, a lot of people could get harmed if the protestors aren't as peaceful as they make out to be, or drunken idiots join in for the crack, or people pretend to be peaceful protestors but are actually there to just cause a much harm to other people are possible turn up. But hey, who cares if dozens of people get injured, possibly even killed as long as we are able to exercise our human right to protest, eh?

Roussette · 06/05/2023 10:38

thanksamillion · 06/05/2023 10:36

As far as I can tell the narrative that they weren't where they'd agreed to be is false. They were unloading the van and it's entirely possible that was a little way from the agreed point. I imagine it's fairly hard to get a vehicle anywhere in central London today.

Their Twitter is saying that they are on the other side of the monument that they were expecting to be but that is hardly a long way away! If they'd wholeheartedly moved it would be tricky for the many supporters to find them - it wouldn't be in their interest. They have been very open all week about where they'd be and have had multiple meetings with authorities to agree it!

Thank you

I am correct then. They were arrested for getting out of a van and opening the back. There are photos to prove this.

cocoloco117 · 06/05/2023 10:39

Absolutely right and proper, it’s times like these that remind us of the police’s important role in maintaining law and order, which is, as always, first and foremost to protect the interests of the rich and powerful.

Againstmachine · 06/05/2023 10:40

Prescottdanni123 · 06/05/2023 10:37

Imagine, a 'peaceful' protestor throws something, either at someone or deliberately at one of the horses. The horse spooks and throws his rider off, who is seriously injured upon landing. Other horses panic. One careers towards the barrier, behind which is a large crowd of members of the public. Because the police officers standing guard and the barrier can do fuck all against that much horse flesh, the public panic and run. People get trampled in all the chaos, possibly to death. All because the police trusted protestors to be peaceful. It could happen. With so many people present, a lot of people could get harmed if the protestors aren't as peaceful as they make out to be, or drunken idiots join in for the crack, or people pretend to be peaceful protestors but are actually there to just cause a much harm to other people are possible turn up. But hey, who cares if dozens of people get injured, possibly even killed as long as we are able to exercise our human right to protest, eh?

All these what ifs, if a horse is that prone it shouldn't be there, but you are just chucking silly scenarios out there.

cocoloco117 · 06/05/2023 10:40

Prescottdanni123 · 06/05/2023 10:37

Imagine, a 'peaceful' protestor throws something, either at someone or deliberately at one of the horses. The horse spooks and throws his rider off, who is seriously injured upon landing. Other horses panic. One careers towards the barrier, behind which is a large crowd of members of the public. Because the police officers standing guard and the barrier can do fuck all against that much horse flesh, the public panic and run. People get trampled in all the chaos, possibly to death. All because the police trusted protestors to be peaceful. It could happen. With so many people present, a lot of people could get harmed if the protestors aren't as peaceful as they make out to be, or drunken idiots join in for the crack, or people pretend to be peaceful protestors but are actually there to just cause a much harm to other people are possible turn up. But hey, who cares if dozens of people get injured, possibly even killed as long as we are able to exercise our human right to protest, eh?

Imagine, if the sky falls on our heads

Roussette · 06/05/2023 10:40

Prescottdanni123 · 06/05/2023 10:37

Imagine, a 'peaceful' protestor throws something, either at someone or deliberately at one of the horses. The horse spooks and throws his rider off, who is seriously injured upon landing. Other horses panic. One careers towards the barrier, behind which is a large crowd of members of the public. Because the police officers standing guard and the barrier can do fuck all against that much horse flesh, the public panic and run. People get trampled in all the chaos, possibly to death. All because the police trusted protestors to be peaceful. It could happen. With so many people present, a lot of people could get harmed if the protestors aren't as peaceful as they make out to be, or drunken idiots join in for the crack, or people pretend to be peaceful protestors but are actually there to just cause a much harm to other people are possible turn up. But hey, who cares if dozens of people get injured, possibly even killed as long as we are able to exercise our human right to protest, eh?

Their designated area agreed with the Police would not allow that to happen.

It's not about trusting the Protestors. It's about the Police agreeing where they could stand in advance then ambushing them.

Are you saying no one should protest about anything any more?

Againstmachine · 06/05/2023 10:41

cocoloco117 · 06/05/2023 10:39

Absolutely right and proper, it’s times like these that remind us of the police’s important role in maintaining law and order, which is, as always, first and foremost to protect the interests of the rich and powerful.

I'd expect nothing less from the MET.

GreeboIsMySpiritAnimal · 06/05/2023 10:41

polkadotdalmation · 06/05/2023 09:40

@cakeorwine So you don't think a megaphone blaring in your ears or a sign blocking the view, is disruptive.?

If you went to a paid concert and people behaved like this, would you feel that's fine.

Peaceful protest is not an issue for anyone. Megaphones are not peaceful.

You are missing the point - even peaceful protests are meant to be disruptive. A protest that isn't is just a mild objection.

Were you also one of the people complaining that the strikes were inconvenient?

HoldingTheDoor · 06/05/2023 10:43

Imagine, a 'peaceful' protestor throws something, either at someone or deliberately at one of the horses. The horse spooks and throws his rider off, who is seriously injured upon landing. Other horses panic. One careers towards the barrier, behind which is a large crowd of members of the public. Because the police officers standing guard and the barrier can do fuck all against that much horse flesh, the public panic and run. People get trampled in all the chaos, possibly to death. All because the police trusted protestors to be peaceful. It could happen. With so many people present, a lot of people could get harmed if the protestors aren't as peaceful as they make out to be, or drunken idiots join in for the crack, or people pretend to be peaceful protestors but are actually there to just cause a much harm to other people are possible turn up. But hey, who cares if dozens of people get injured, possibly even killed as long as we are able to exercise our human right to protest, eh?

Alright, Chicken Little. Enough with the hyperbole.

And now I'm going to have Imagine stuck in my head for the rest of the day.

neverbeenskiing · 06/05/2023 10:43

It’s a safeguarding issue if you allow pop up protests around children

It really isn't. Please stop talking rubbish. As someone who has spent their entire adult life dedicated to safeguarding children it really annoys me when people throw the word safeguarding about as a justification for banning things they don't like.

m00rfarm · 06/05/2023 10:44

Fladdermus · 06/05/2023 10:41

The Swedish press reporting that the prince who wanted to be a tampon will now be crowned king.

https://www.aftonbladet.se/kungligt/a/RGlOwx/kung-charles-fran-skandalerna-till-tronen

You can always rely on a anti royal tabloid to come up with the goods when required (anti Israel and pro Russian as well ...)

Erex · 06/05/2023 10:45

Prescottdanni123 · 06/05/2023 10:37

Imagine, a 'peaceful' protestor throws something, either at someone or deliberately at one of the horses. The horse spooks and throws his rider off, who is seriously injured upon landing. Other horses panic. One careers towards the barrier, behind which is a large crowd of members of the public. Because the police officers standing guard and the barrier can do fuck all against that much horse flesh, the public panic and run. People get trampled in all the chaos, possibly to death. All because the police trusted protestors to be peaceful. It could happen. With so many people present, a lot of people could get harmed if the protestors aren't as peaceful as they make out to be, or drunken idiots join in for the crack, or people pretend to be peaceful protestors but are actually there to just cause a much harm to other people are possible turn up. But hey, who cares if dozens of people get injured, possibly even killed as long as we are able to exercise our human right to protest, eh?

Imagine, a child drops a crisp packet and it blows in front of a horse and spooks it, causing it to throw its rider off.... etc. etc.
All because the police trusted children not to litter.

What about the people getting drunk because they're there to "party" with Charlie? Or is that okay because they're fans of the King? Do the horses know they're acceptable attendees?

At least get a decent argument in place of you're this in favour of a totalitarian state.

Laiste · 06/05/2023 10:46

''Prescottdanni123 · Today 10:37
Imagine, a 'peaceful' protestor throws something, either at someone or deliberately at one of the horses. The horse spooks and throws his rider off, who is seriously injured upon landing. Other horses panic. One careers towards the barrier, behind which is a large crowd of members of the public. Because the police officers standing guard and the barrier can do fuck all against that much horse flesh, the public panic and run. People get trampled in all the chaos, possibly to death.''

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That's a lot of imagining.

A young child in the crowd could throw something and hit a horse. Or someone who was mentally ill.

The real point is, police shouldn't be arresting people ''just in case'' they do something.

nothingcomestonothing · 06/05/2023 10:46

Prescottdanni123 · 06/05/2023 10:37

Imagine, a 'peaceful' protestor throws something, either at someone or deliberately at one of the horses. The horse spooks and throws his rider off, who is seriously injured upon landing. Other horses panic. One careers towards the barrier, behind which is a large crowd of members of the public. Because the police officers standing guard and the barrier can do fuck all against that much horse flesh, the public panic and run. People get trampled in all the chaos, possibly to death. All because the police trusted protestors to be peaceful. It could happen. With so many people present, a lot of people could get harmed if the protestors aren't as peaceful as they make out to be, or drunken idiots join in for the crack, or people pretend to be peaceful protestors but are actually there to just cause a much harm to other people are possible turn up. But hey, who cares if dozens of people get injured, possibly even killed as long as we are able to exercise our human right to protest, eh?

And following your logic, such as it is, what if a pro monarchist throws something and the same (ridiculously fanciful) scenario unfolds? Shall we ban all the pro monarchists as well to be on the safe side, clear the streets? Didn't think so.

The police arrested some people en route to the place the police had agreed they could be, to do the thing the police had agreed they could do there. If that doesn't worry you, it really should.

user10675345 · 06/05/2023 10:47

I was on the fence not any more bring on the Republic. Entitled selfish pricks.

LadyWithLapdog · 06/05/2023 10:47

@Prescottdanni123 do you write for TV? I’ve seen this chain of events somewhere. I’ll try and find the clip. PS it was a ridiculous bit of comedy.

Iwasafool · 06/05/2023 10:47

XBealtaine · 06/05/2023 08:59

Do they have the right to protest today though?

Is every day equal or can they be democratically prevented from protesting this one day out of 365 in 70 years? I'm Irish, so hardly invested in to the longevity of the monarchy but ruining a day that means a lot to other people, is that about exercising a democratic right ? or about ruining something a slight majority (?) wants. Like I say, I don't understand how the nuances of all of that are democratic or anti-democratic..

I'm Irish and feel the same. I've no interest in it, fed up that there is nothing else on the news this morning because I like my news fix, but I'm happy to let others enjoy something that means a lot to them.

HoldingTheDoor · 06/05/2023 10:47

If we're imagining the worst case scenario then perhaps we should cancel the whole public aspect of the Coronation. It's going to involve hundreds of huge, highly sensitive and nervous animals, loud music and cheering crowds with waving flags. The horses could stampede. People could be killed. Children trampled. Let's ban it now for the good of everyone.

Prescottdanni123 · 06/05/2023 10:47

@Roussette

Protests can rapidly get out of hand. Especially at the minute when a lot of protestors seem to be leaning towards violence. Members of the crowd seeing people protesting ina designated area could encourage them to strike up there own protest where they stand. Although according to reports, they weren't actually in the designated area.

This is not the occasion to protest. With so many children and families around and so many tightly pack crowds, if unrest does break out, the chances of people ending up with serious injuries or worse is very high.

Plus if someone did decide to lob something, there is absolutely no guarantee the police would catch it before it could harm anyone. And while that person would be arrested, pandemonium would instantly break out.

Blamethecat57 · 06/05/2023 10:48

So if free speech was available, on part of the route. Why have I not heard anything on the BBC about that part? Discussion about how some don't care for a monarchy?
Why?
I couldn't care less about them. I like the pomp.
But I don't like voices being shut down.
It's not balanced reporting.

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