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AIBU to “cancel” my friend coming to help post birth?

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AwkwardArmadillo · 04/05/2023 00:13

I’m 33 weeks pregnant, likely to give birth via c section around 34-36wk (most likely 35) due to a combo of medical reasons which I won’t get fully into, but rather than a standard c-section, it’ll be an up and down cut (open laparotomy) potentially including a hysterectomy and other procedures.

Recovery is going to be tough and potentially include a substantial hospital stay for me. I hoped to get further along than 35ish weeks but for various reasons including a decline in my health, it won’t be possible.

this is my first and (obviously) likely only child.

I have a friend who lives a substantial distance away (flight needed).
While I do have strong local support, my friend offered to come to stay to help me with recovery and the new baby.

Around 16/17 weeks I was considering it and said I’d let her know. We remained in regular contact, but unfortunately, this clearly sounded like a “yes” to her and it became clear she assumed that’s what I meant. I have repeatedly said “we’ll see, and I’m not sure it’s a good idea” but she seems to want to argue it with me and I’ve not had the strength.

this pregnancy has been brutal, if I’m honest, with over 20 hospital admissions and multiple late nights at A+E plus a fair share of mental health struggles, I should’ve been more direct but I did express my concerns to her. I do admit my fault for not putting my foot down. There are many reasons I’ve turned off of the idea, and I’ll include her rebuttals. example:

friend has a 7yr old child. Obviously, the child would come with her. I don’t necessarily feel comfortable hosting a boisterous child, especially while dealing with a potentially difficult recovery road.

friend says “We’d have our own space, we’ll stay out of your way when you need a breather.” (I have a spare room).

I did also say there may be things related to my recovery that are messy, difficult, uncomfortable and she may not want her DC present to witness it. It’ll also be a nightmare for her DC if I have an extended stay in hospital IMHO.
friend says “If needed, DC can be left with a sitter.” But I know the expense for that would be mine to bear (explained further below).

friend has a low income, meaning I will be left footing the bill for her flights, travel, etc.

She knows I can technically afford it, but I’m trying really hard to save money/not touch savings because I’m taking substantial time off of work (and I’m self employed so mat pay etc is limited).
when I mention cost is an issue, suddenly she offers to pay half or “try to get a credit card” (for various reasons I doubt that would work).

I had a scare a few days ago (light bleeding, monitoring session in hospital), now she’s more insistent than ever, to the point where she’s disregarding that I don’t have time to accommodate her, settle her + her child in, travel several hours each way to do airport pick up, etc.

I know she can sense my hesitancy because recently all she wants to talk about is how “difficult” things are at home (she’s in her 30s but lives with her family, whereas I live alone) and how she “can’t wait for a break”. She’s also mentioned how “excited” her DS is to come. It’s becoming very clear to me that it’s less about helping me and more about helping herself, but I don’t see a way of navigating out of this while retaining our previously very lovely friendship of several years.

aibu to cancel this? And WIBU to ask MN for some advice as to how to go about it? I’ve been running around like a blue arsed fly putting my business into rest mode, so to speak, and making sure everything is ready for the baby. But I need to address this soon. Help?

OP posts:
Rightsraptor · 04/05/2023 11:14

In your last post, OP, you used the phrase 'I don't think you coming here will be a good idea ' (I paraphrase possibly). I wouldn't even say that to her as you're still giving her an 'in': she could then argue as to why it is a good idea. For her and child, it probably is. But for you, most emphatically not.

You say she's not in the UK and I'm wondering if her 'not hearing' you is cultural. We Brits definitely hedge around issues and, most of the time, we recognise in each other. We know what we mean. People from other places are often way more direct and so misunderstand our vagueness.

Whatever you do, I think this friendship is over. If she & child do come, it will be very difficult for you and you'll probably be desperate to get her out of your life. If she doesn't come, she'll be very unhappy about it.

And I am so sorry you've had such a shit time in your pregnancy. Best of luck.

MeetMyCat · 04/05/2023 11:17

Your friend will have sensed your reluctance over the last few months but is hell-bent on coming (and staying) for her own sake, not for yours at all.

Indeed - which is why it needs nipping in bud ASAP

Sauvblanctime · 04/05/2023 11:20

Sounds like she sees it as a holiday, good luck op! If she gets pushy / rude you’ll know

Dutch1e · 04/05/2023 11:23

Oh OP I feel so frustrated when people who are supposed to be friends refuse to be direct with each other, but I totally understand you feeling overwhelmed and ambushed at this vulnerable point in your life.

I have a homeschooled child and he's so quiet and content you'd forget he's there. But I would never think that moving him and me into your house is a sensible idea!

Personally I would message something like "remember when you offered to stay and I said I'd let you know? I've thought it over and the answer is no thankyou. The house will be full of agency staff, family etc, so in a few months let's make a plan to see each other when I'm back on my feet."

If she doesn't accept that immediately, and keep her disappointment to herself, then she's no friend to you.

Hecatoncheires · 04/05/2023 11:28

Happytohelp2 · 04/05/2023 00:30

You definitely need to tell her she’s not coming - for your peace of mind as much as anything else. I’d suggest a message something like:

” Dear Friend, I’m really grateful for all your kindness and support over recent times. I look forward to being back in touch later in the year but for the next few months I will be out of contact while I prioritise my and my baby’s health. There are lots of reasons, which I am not going to go into, why it won’t be possible for you to fly over or stay with me until I am fully recovered which is going to take some time.
I know that, as a true friend, you will understand even if you are disappointed initially that you can’t be here with me.
love Armadillo xo
PS I’ll send you a pic as soon as I’m up to it after the baby is born”

then just don’t reply to her messages. If she gets too persistent or abusive then mute or block her.

Put your health and your baby first. If she can’t understand that then she’s no friend just a CF.

good luck with it all. 💐

This is a great message. Hope you manage to sort this, OP. It sounds like a nightmare.

Clementinesucks · 04/05/2023 11:29

Dear Friend,
Things have gone from bad to worse and I will need professional care at home. I can’t have extra people in the house and particularly not another child if I have any hope of recovery and bonding with my baby. Perhaps in a few months time.
lots of love

Maybe a slight exaggeration but hey it sounds like you need to to get the point across!!

You have to stand up for yourself and your baby.

Humanbiology · 04/05/2023 11:32

Polkadothot · 04/05/2023 00:23

But how are you going to manage without help following surgery? Have you a plan b?

Would you want an active child around you after an operation and she will be in hospital until she is well enough to leave.

Nevermind31 · 04/05/2023 11:41

She isn’t looking to help you at all, she is looking to help herself.
just make it very clear to her that your mum is moving in, you can’t pay for her flights (now or ever), you don’t want a child that isn’t yours around - now, before or after birth.
thanks for offering, but as i said before, this is not working for me.

she is using you for her own agenda, that’s not a good friend.

blahblahblah1654 · 04/05/2023 11:42

You need to be direct and tell her no. She won't be much help as she wants a "break". Get family to help instead, as you said you have them nearby, This trip is to help her, not you.

MeridianB · 04/05/2023 11:46

Sounds like she’s decided you can create a nice new family together - two mums and two kids. At your expense.

She’s really not your friend . If she was, she’d never be pushing the way she is. She’s got her eyes on a new life for herself and her child with you and isn’t easily going to let this go. I’d honestly prepare to lose the friendship entirely at this point as she’s shown what she is about and has no consideration for you when you are so vulnerable - in fact, she’s used this as a perfect opportunity to get something from you and to cost you a lot of money as well. What sort of friend does that?

All of this. This is not about you and your wants or needs. Believe me, she's heard the push-backs and is simply ignoring them.

The good news is that it means you can pull the plug and not feel bad.

Bunce1 · 04/05/2023 11:54

I read to the end and had hoped there would have been a response from the OP! At least a message sent.

You know what you need to do, just rip off the band aid!

TheFormidableMrsC · 04/05/2023 11:56

You are going to have to be as blunt as "I don't want you to come here". I agree with PP that she's planning a permanent move to your home.

potatohead1 · 04/05/2023 11:57

I’d make it clear that you know it’s for her and not about helping you at all. say ‘you know I care about you and would love to help but in all honesty, you taking a break by coming to stay with me when I have just had a child is frankly not going to work. I don’t have the finances available to pay for you to come and I have local help on hand. I’d love to help you out but obviously at a time that makes more sense than when I’ve just birthed a child

MsPavlichenko · 04/05/2023 12:00

She is a complete chancer as you are realising, but for her sake too you need to message asap as she clearly thinks she is coming. That’s kinder to her.

Once you have done it you will start to feel better.?This stress can’t be good for you or the baby. Mute or block her for a while so as you don’t get caught up in whatever she does in response. Then relax, you can get back in touch as and when if you want to (I wouldn’t). Good luck.

1FootInTheRave · 04/05/2023 12:04

This woman is not the friend you think.

BeverlyBrook · 04/05/2023 12:08

Cmon OP you can do this!
You have about 100 mumsnetters cheering you on

purplecorkheart · 04/05/2023 12:08

Sorry you are having to deal with this when you have so much more to deal with. To be honest it does sound like she plans to move in and then she will not be able to afford to move out. It really does sound like she has nothing to keep her where she is

You need to be very very straight with her and clear up any grey areas.

Dear Friend,

As you know I never accepted your kind offer to taking care of me. I have given it very serious consideration and have spoken with members of my Care team (aka Mumsnet) and I will not be accepting your offer. As you are such a good friend I am sure you will understand. I will of course send you photos of the little one when they are born. Say hi to xxx Thanks for your understanding

AwkwardArmadillo · 04/05/2023 12:26

Sorry, I was busy and couldn’t update. I did send a text saying:

“I know you were really worried when X happened, but I’ve had a chat with the midwife, my mother and Y, and we’ve got it from here. I don’t want you to put yourselves out travelling, and I’m not up to accommodating you both right now between X and Y appointments and how generally unwell I feel. After birth, I definitely won’t be in a good enough way to be around (DC name) either, and I can’t commit to paying for his childcare.

It was kind of you to offer, but I’d rather stick with my support network at this time. It’s best for everyone. Maybe we can see each other another time?”

that was an hour ago and I haven’t actually received a response. I’m half expecting to be spammed and argued with, but so far, radio silence. I tried to be nice about it while also being direct.

OP posts:
lemonchiffonpie · 04/05/2023 12:28

Oh, well done. These things are hard to do.

HowcanIgetoutofthisalive · 04/05/2023 12:29

Oh well done. That's perfect.

I hope she understands and doesn't pile on more grief for you to deal with ignore.

CoffeeYes · 04/05/2023 12:29

AwkwardArmadillo · 04/05/2023 12:26

Sorry, I was busy and couldn’t update. I did send a text saying:

“I know you were really worried when X happened, but I’ve had a chat with the midwife, my mother and Y, and we’ve got it from here. I don’t want you to put yourselves out travelling, and I’m not up to accommodating you both right now between X and Y appointments and how generally unwell I feel. After birth, I definitely won’t be in a good enough way to be around (DC name) either, and I can’t commit to paying for his childcare.

It was kind of you to offer, but I’d rather stick with my support network at this time. It’s best for everyone. Maybe we can see each other another time?”

that was an hour ago and I haven’t actually received a response. I’m half expecting to be spammed and argued with, but so far, radio silence. I tried to be nice about it while also being direct.

A real friend will understand. If she doesn’t reply or she still doesn’t take no for an answer or she is verbally abusive then she’s not a friend.

MeetMyCat · 04/05/2023 12:30

Well done OP

abbey44 · 04/05/2023 12:32

Oh gosh, OP, stick to your guns! There are a lot of good suggestions, but whatever you do, you’re going to have to shut this down as soon as possible, and with no wriggle room. I agree with those who say she’s doing this for herself, not for you, and once she’s got her feet under your table you’ll never get rid of her.

I was in a similar situation after the birth of my second child (many years ago) and though I’d arranged for paid help to come in, a relative insisted she wanted to help and I found myself railroaded (with much family pressure, since she was “having a rough time”) into cancelling the help and having the relative and two children instead. Just for the summer holidays. Except, it wasn’t. At the end of the holidays, she just refused point-blank to go home - it caused all sorts of trouble, including her husband taking legal action against me and my DH for abduction of the children. She stayed for months before she found another man and moved in with him. My marriage never really recovered from that and I always wish I’d been able to stand firm and just say no.

Please just screw up every bit of courage it’ll take to knock this on the head, whatever it takes.

Jellifulfruit · 04/05/2023 12:32

I think your Text is very good. Hopefully it’s received well and you can have some much-needed relaxation before d-day! X

takealettermsjones · 04/05/2023 12:32

That's a great message OP, direct and clear while still being kind! Amazing.