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AIBU to “cancel” my friend coming to help post birth?

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AwkwardArmadillo · 04/05/2023 00:13

I’m 33 weeks pregnant, likely to give birth via c section around 34-36wk (most likely 35) due to a combo of medical reasons which I won’t get fully into, but rather than a standard c-section, it’ll be an up and down cut (open laparotomy) potentially including a hysterectomy and other procedures.

Recovery is going to be tough and potentially include a substantial hospital stay for me. I hoped to get further along than 35ish weeks but for various reasons including a decline in my health, it won’t be possible.

this is my first and (obviously) likely only child.

I have a friend who lives a substantial distance away (flight needed).
While I do have strong local support, my friend offered to come to stay to help me with recovery and the new baby.

Around 16/17 weeks I was considering it and said I’d let her know. We remained in regular contact, but unfortunately, this clearly sounded like a “yes” to her and it became clear she assumed that’s what I meant. I have repeatedly said “we’ll see, and I’m not sure it’s a good idea” but she seems to want to argue it with me and I’ve not had the strength.

this pregnancy has been brutal, if I’m honest, with over 20 hospital admissions and multiple late nights at A+E plus a fair share of mental health struggles, I should’ve been more direct but I did express my concerns to her. I do admit my fault for not putting my foot down. There are many reasons I’ve turned off of the idea, and I’ll include her rebuttals. example:

friend has a 7yr old child. Obviously, the child would come with her. I don’t necessarily feel comfortable hosting a boisterous child, especially while dealing with a potentially difficult recovery road.

friend says “We’d have our own space, we’ll stay out of your way when you need a breather.” (I have a spare room).

I did also say there may be things related to my recovery that are messy, difficult, uncomfortable and she may not want her DC present to witness it. It’ll also be a nightmare for her DC if I have an extended stay in hospital IMHO.
friend says “If needed, DC can be left with a sitter.” But I know the expense for that would be mine to bear (explained further below).

friend has a low income, meaning I will be left footing the bill for her flights, travel, etc.

She knows I can technically afford it, but I’m trying really hard to save money/not touch savings because I’m taking substantial time off of work (and I’m self employed so mat pay etc is limited).
when I mention cost is an issue, suddenly she offers to pay half or “try to get a credit card” (for various reasons I doubt that would work).

I had a scare a few days ago (light bleeding, monitoring session in hospital), now she’s more insistent than ever, to the point where she’s disregarding that I don’t have time to accommodate her, settle her + her child in, travel several hours each way to do airport pick up, etc.

I know she can sense my hesitancy because recently all she wants to talk about is how “difficult” things are at home (she’s in her 30s but lives with her family, whereas I live alone) and how she “can’t wait for a break”. She’s also mentioned how “excited” her DS is to come. It’s becoming very clear to me that it’s less about helping me and more about helping herself, but I don’t see a way of navigating out of this while retaining our previously very lovely friendship of several years.

aibu to cancel this? And WIBU to ask MN for some advice as to how to go about it? I’ve been running around like a blue arsed fly putting my business into rest mode, so to speak, and making sure everything is ready for the baby. But I need to address this soon. Help?

OP posts:
FrostyFifi · 04/05/2023 09:26

I wouldn't let her across my threshold ever. She sounds like a total use with a hide like a rhino, and if this ends your friendship you've had a lucky escape.

Beaverbridge · 04/05/2023 09:26

Straight thanks but no thanks. She's intending staying with you, also living off you. You'd be mad to go ahead with this.

Seaweed42 · 04/05/2023 09:27

Do it simply and straightforward. Such as:

'As things have gone on I realise I do have loads of local support and am very happy with that. I no longer want to have anyone to come and stay with me at the time of the birth.
We can revisit it some weeks after the birth. But right now I'm firmly decided on not having anyone here to stay around the time of the birth. Very kind of you to offer though!'

Namechangedagain20 · 04/05/2023 09:27

If you’ve got your recently retired mum on hand what other support does your friend think she will be providing? I’d say a very firm, clear no and then not engage any further.

(I would consider asking your mum to stay at least the first few nights though. Night with a newborn are tough enough without adding having had surgery into it).

takealettermsjones · 04/05/2023 09:27

You'd be mad to allow this. Expecting you to pay for everything is not helping. Also her comments about getting out of the way "when you need a breather" - you'll need a "breather" all the time. Literally all of it. All your energy will be taken up by recovering and looking after your newborn. There won't be energy left over to chat. So how is it a break for her? If it's a break for her then it's not helping you, is it? And what exactly is her child excited about? What has she been told will be happening? Newborns are boring for a seven year old and convalescing adults can't do much either... So I'm guessing the kid's been told she'll have day trips out. Bye bye "help".

Please tell her straight, now, before she books flights. I'm so sorry about your health struggles and I wish you and your little one all the very best!

Outofthepark · 04/05/2023 09:29

OP I joined Mumsnet to comment on this! I am really worried that you will feel very emotionally vulnerable when your baby arrives, and are already emotionally vulnerable through just being pregnant so it'll be really easy for this woman to really exploit you. Your 'friend' will know this, and is targeting you during this period for her own benefit. She is no friend of yours and never was. Conversely you'll be making lots of lovely new mum friends at baby groups over the next few years. Don't miss out on those by only making space for this hideous woman. Embrace the lovely friendships of your future, instead.

Easy out: tell her you've just been deemed high risk and will need medical care and have been told under no circumstances can you have houseguests or children around, then tell her therefore, she cannot come. End. Anything else, block her. This is one of those rare moments in life when a big problem can be dealt with by writing a few words then pressing the block button, and it's over. Use it!

I cannot underline this enough, she's a leech not a friend. She's an opportunist who wants to use you. Dealing with her, her child, kerfuffle in your house, no peace and quite or your own genuine space to get into a routine, etc, just because she wants to use your space when you're also sleep deprived from baby night feeds? That could push you into PND or unbelievable stress post partum and is so bad for you and the baby. You can not let this happen.

You sound like a really caring, wonderful and lovely person. I hope you never lose that quality. The only down side is that occasionally there will be losers like this 'friend' who try to take advantage and exploit you at literally the most vulnerable time of your life. New mum friends of the future will value that quality in you. Text her today, and if she pushes back in any way, say no, then block her.

She won't turn up on your doorstep as she was relying on you to pay all the flights, etc.

Best of luck with your pregnancy and lovely little baby - you'll need all your strength to look after yourself and enjoy and deal with this unique stage of your life! Keep the woman away from you.

Lsquiggles · 04/05/2023 09:31

This needs nipping in the bud now before she makes even more adjustments thinking she's essentially moving in with you

FeelingHelpless99 · 04/05/2023 09:32

I had a difficult Caesarian (not as difficult as yours will be) and staying in hospital for 5 days really helped me, as did having a catheter. Stay as long as you can.

Also, can your mum or someone stay with you (or vice versa) when you get out? Better to over-estimate how fragile you will be, rather than under-estimate!

Lsquiggles · 04/05/2023 09:37

Also her comments about getting out of the way "when you need a breather" - you'll need a "breather" all the time. Literally all of it. All your energy will be taken up by recovering and looking after your newborn. There won't be energy left over to chat. So how is it a break for her? If it's a break for her then it's not helping you, is it? And what exactly is her child excited about? What has she been told will be happening? Newborns are boring for a seven year old and convalescing adults can't do much either... So I'm guessing the kid's been told she'll have day trips out. Bye bye "help".

This!

She's sold this to her child as a holiday.

mainsfed · 04/05/2023 09:41

I know she can sense my hesitancy because recently all she wants to talk about is how “difficult” things are at home (she’s in her 30s but lives with her family, whereas I live alone) and how she “can’t wait for a break”. She’s also mentioned how “excited” her DS is to come. It’s becoming very clear to me that it’s less about helping me and more about helping herself

I struggle to believe anyone capable of this level of emotional manipulation could be a good friend.

kingtamponthefurred · 04/05/2023 09:43

I think your friend needs to stay at home and sort out her life, starting with putting her child into school and getting a job.

mainsfed · 04/05/2023 09:44

LAMPS1 · 04/05/2023 07:28

Your friend will have sensed your reluctance over the last few months but is hell-bent on coming (and staying) for her own sake, not for yours at all. Sounds like she feels it’s her right and all her coercive arguments will be ready including guilt tripping you while you are weak from a troublesome pregnancy. You will need to be assertive to the point that you may have to be prepared to lose her friendship over this.

Dear friend, My medical problems are now such that it will be impossible for you to stay here any time soon. Please make other arrangements.
The specialised after-care for myself and baby is now all arranged with advice from my doctors and help from family. I will be happy to host you for a few days when I am fully recovered in several months time and look forward to that. But for now, I’m instructed to rest completely without stress so won’t be in touch again for a while. I know you will be disappointed and am sorry for that but I also know you will understand my predicament. I will make sure my carers let you know when baby is safely delivered. Take care.

I really like this message, except that I would remove the offer to host her in several months time.

123becauseicouldntthinkofone · 04/05/2023 09:44

Happytohelp2 · 04/05/2023 00:30

You definitely need to tell her she’s not coming - for your peace of mind as much as anything else. I’d suggest a message something like:

” Dear Friend, I’m really grateful for all your kindness and support over recent times. I look forward to being back in touch later in the year but for the next few months I will be out of contact while I prioritise my and my baby’s health. There are lots of reasons, which I am not going to go into, why it won’t be possible for you to fly over or stay with me until I am fully recovered which is going to take some time.
I know that, as a true friend, you will understand even if you are disappointed initially that you can’t be here with me.
love Armadillo xo
PS I’ll send you a pic as soon as I’m up to it after the baby is born”

then just don’t reply to her messages. If she gets too persistent or abusive then mute or block her.

Put your health and your baby first. If she can’t understand that then she’s no friend just a CF.

good luck with it all. 💐

This is perfect

Fraaahnces · 04/05/2023 09:49

When she (inevitably) has a strop/manipulative panic attack/crying fest about how HER plans have to change and she was doing this for YOU, @AwkwardArmadillo, you’re going to have to spell out that it wasn’t generosity or altruism that inspired this move in the first place. You are going to have to let her know that her problems are her own to solve and that you have recovery and a baby to worry about now.

PollyAmour · 04/05/2023 09:52

You have been given lots of good advice and help with wording the message to your friend. Take all the help and support offered by friends (in this country) and family. Tell your other friend to get lost, tactfully. She's using you for her own ends.

I just want to wish you well. I hope your delivery isn't too complicated and your recovery is straightforward. Moreover I wish you a happy, healthy baby and that you get to enjoy those delicious newborn moments.

Take care of yourself.

CatNoBag · 04/05/2023 09:57

I've recently had surgery that sounds not far off what you're going to need, but without the baby at the end of it. I do have a DH, so in that respect we are different, but you say you have family nearby who can come to you as needed. I spent the first month post op in a cocoon and it was absolutely perfect for my recovery. Didn't see anyone except DH who took care of all the cooking and shopping and housework, and apart from having to Facetime my parents each day to keep their anxiety at bay, I only really had to think about myself and what was best for me that day. I would have hated having any sort of house guest in that time, even someone dropping in for the day.

Backtobed · 04/05/2023 10:00

takealettermsjones · 04/05/2023 09:27

You'd be mad to allow this. Expecting you to pay for everything is not helping. Also her comments about getting out of the way "when you need a breather" - you'll need a "breather" all the time. Literally all of it. All your energy will be taken up by recovering and looking after your newborn. There won't be energy left over to chat. So how is it a break for her? If it's a break for her then it's not helping you, is it? And what exactly is her child excited about? What has she been told will be happening? Newborns are boring for a seven year old and convalescing adults can't do much either... So I'm guessing the kid's been told she'll have day trips out. Bye bye "help".

Please tell her straight, now, before she books flights. I'm so sorry about your health struggles and I wish you and your little one all the very best!

100000% she has told her child they're going on holiday. She will be more of a hindrance than a help, of that I'm sure.

SparkyBlue · 04/05/2023 10:03

OP this is one time you are totally entitled to think only of you and what suits you. Please tell her no and block her if needs be for your own sanity.
For different reasons I had an almost two week stay in hospital after DC1 and it was great. I was almost physically recovered when I got home. Hopefully you will be similar. Also if baby is in the nicu for whatever reason relax and rest and don't spend all your time down there. I remember a lovely midwife saying to us that these are the most qualified babysitters your child will ever have. You definitely don't need your friend being there draining your energy and taking up space in your head. It's a time to concentrate on you and your baby. Best of luck with it all

FernGully43 · 04/05/2023 10:03

Obviously I don't know for sure but from what you've written, it sounds like she wants to move in with you to "help" more for her than for you. Getting away from her house, moving in with you, it all sounds more about her needs and wants than yours.

If I were ever in that situation, I'd mention it once such as "hey friend, if you'd like I'm more than happy to come and stay for a few weeks to help you with recovery, house and baby, just let me know if you ever want to take me up on it". Then I'd not mention it again. Because putting pressure on friends is then not actually being a good friend or helpful...

Moveoverdarlin · 04/05/2023 10:06

Sounds to me like she’s trying to escape her life and you’re the first stepping stone on her way out of there.

Some of the suggestions on here are perfect.

And FWIW I had a similar pregnancy story to you and after a up / down C-section with my second child, the recovery was far better than I thought it would be. In fact, I was up and about quicker than I thought I would be. If it’s just you and baby to be thinking about you’ll get on just fine, a skint house guest and a 7 year old child will NOT aid your recovery in the slightest.

Fraaahnces · 04/05/2023 10:08

@AwkwardArmadillo I know the impending surgery is terrifying and from experience I am certain you have had a billion unsolicited opinions about this. I have had two ECS’s and the second resulted in a haemorrage and a hysterectomy. (And despite threats to the contrary, perfectly healthy twins… so that’s something!) I had a horizontal incision (I know it’s a much easier recovery than horizontal) and I recovered very quickly in comparison to every single horror story I was hit with prior to having my kids. I have a medical condition that often causes hemorrhaging, issues maintaining a regular blood pressure and body temperature amongst other things. I spoke in-depth to the anaesthetist and felt that they understood the complications associated with pain relief and this condition, and we came up with a plan together. I hope that you get the same
chance and that things go swimmingly for you and your wee one.

AliceOlive · 04/05/2023 10:09

Just tell her “This will not work for me. I have a plan that works for me in place.”

Also, stop giving her the play-by-play. It’s making her feel more a part of things.

billy1966 · 04/05/2023 10:10

AwkwardArmadillo · 04/05/2023 08:56

That is something I’m keeping in mind, as well. That while I’m concerned for her feelings, situation, child etc, she’s showing no concern for mine. I know I sound like a wet leaf but I have objected often. I should’ve been more direct with it, obviously, but I can’t imagine steamrolling on ahead if someone told me “I don’t think you two coming is a good idea.”

OP,

@ButterflyOil has 100% nailed whats going on here.

Your baby arriving is a happy convience for her.

She is not your friend.

You are an opportunity and an out from her present circumstances.

You would find her very difficult to get out.

You do not want a visitor and a 7 year old to facilitate at this time.

Lose this non friendship.

You are being spectacularly naive.

Your best interests are not hers.

You are simply an opportunity to move ibto a new space.

Please realise she is not a real friend.

She wants a new livibg space and start and you're it.

Be crystal clear that it is not happening.

She may get very nasty and try and guilt you.

Further proof that this is about her, not you.

With your recovery, prepare for the worst, with as much support on hand.

Your mother is ideal in this situation.

Please take a deep breath and cut her off.

The last thing you need with recovery and a new baby is the weight of her and her new life with you, hanging off her.

Why would you want a home schooled child living with you?

Peace, quiet, rest is what you will need.

Wake up please and cut her lose.

She is not your friend.

Xiaoxiong · 04/05/2023 10:14

Good luck OP. You have nothing to lose by sending a clear and direct message. If she understands and graciously accepts your decision, hurrah! Problem solved, friendship continues. If she gets mean and shitty and starts trying to guilt trip you, then you know that it was really just about her and not about helping you at all.

CuriousMama · 04/05/2023 10:14

Just say that won't work for me and we need to stop discussing it as I don't need the stress. She isn't a true friend anyway so you wouldn't be losing anything. Stop being so wet.

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