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AIBU to “cancel” my friend coming to help post birth?

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AwkwardArmadillo · 04/05/2023 00:13

I’m 33 weeks pregnant, likely to give birth via c section around 34-36wk (most likely 35) due to a combo of medical reasons which I won’t get fully into, but rather than a standard c-section, it’ll be an up and down cut (open laparotomy) potentially including a hysterectomy and other procedures.

Recovery is going to be tough and potentially include a substantial hospital stay for me. I hoped to get further along than 35ish weeks but for various reasons including a decline in my health, it won’t be possible.

this is my first and (obviously) likely only child.

I have a friend who lives a substantial distance away (flight needed).
While I do have strong local support, my friend offered to come to stay to help me with recovery and the new baby.

Around 16/17 weeks I was considering it and said I’d let her know. We remained in regular contact, but unfortunately, this clearly sounded like a “yes” to her and it became clear she assumed that’s what I meant. I have repeatedly said “we’ll see, and I’m not sure it’s a good idea” but she seems to want to argue it with me and I’ve not had the strength.

this pregnancy has been brutal, if I’m honest, with over 20 hospital admissions and multiple late nights at A+E plus a fair share of mental health struggles, I should’ve been more direct but I did express my concerns to her. I do admit my fault for not putting my foot down. There are many reasons I’ve turned off of the idea, and I’ll include her rebuttals. example:

friend has a 7yr old child. Obviously, the child would come with her. I don’t necessarily feel comfortable hosting a boisterous child, especially while dealing with a potentially difficult recovery road.

friend says “We’d have our own space, we’ll stay out of your way when you need a breather.” (I have a spare room).

I did also say there may be things related to my recovery that are messy, difficult, uncomfortable and she may not want her DC present to witness it. It’ll also be a nightmare for her DC if I have an extended stay in hospital IMHO.
friend says “If needed, DC can be left with a sitter.” But I know the expense for that would be mine to bear (explained further below).

friend has a low income, meaning I will be left footing the bill for her flights, travel, etc.

She knows I can technically afford it, but I’m trying really hard to save money/not touch savings because I’m taking substantial time off of work (and I’m self employed so mat pay etc is limited).
when I mention cost is an issue, suddenly she offers to pay half or “try to get a credit card” (for various reasons I doubt that would work).

I had a scare a few days ago (light bleeding, monitoring session in hospital), now she’s more insistent than ever, to the point where she’s disregarding that I don’t have time to accommodate her, settle her + her child in, travel several hours each way to do airport pick up, etc.

I know she can sense my hesitancy because recently all she wants to talk about is how “difficult” things are at home (she’s in her 30s but lives with her family, whereas I live alone) and how she “can’t wait for a break”. She’s also mentioned how “excited” her DS is to come. It’s becoming very clear to me that it’s less about helping me and more about helping herself, but I don’t see a way of navigating out of this while retaining our previously very lovely friendship of several years.

aibu to cancel this? And WIBU to ask MN for some advice as to how to go about it? I’ve been running around like a blue arsed fly putting my business into rest mode, so to speak, and making sure everything is ready for the baby. But I need to address this soon. Help?

OP posts:
mainsfed · 04/05/2023 19:18

What a shocker that she didn’t express any concern for how you will cope without her proffered live-in support and it was all about her son being disappointed and how she can’t believe you are leaving her in this situation.

Well done, OP!

PrinnyPree · 04/05/2023 19:25

"She didn’t have much to say to that but cried more and said she couldn’t believe I was “leaving her in this situation”."

I'd have said "leaving you in this situation? I thought you were doing me a favour not that I was doing you one, who exactly is being helped here?"

I can't believe the brass balls of some people. It's not much of a loss of a friendship if your "friend" would take advantage of you and your baby's vulnerability to give herself a lifestyle upgrade. Xx

Snazzysausage · 04/05/2023 19:36

BlackPhillipsCheese · 04/05/2023 18:11

Also OP, please make sure that if anyone has s spare set of keys to your house ( your Dm or friends) you make them aware of the situation.

I wouldn't be surprised if she turned up in your town anyway with "nowhere to go" under the guise of being so worried about you she just had to come.

Not beyond the realms of possibility but given she was expecting the op to cover the cost of the flights etc hopefully it's unlikely to happen.

Riverlee · 04/05/2023 19:38

I’m sort of confused why there would be childcare costs when she’s a single mum. And why you are expected to pay for these? Surely she would be looking after her child?

FrostyFifi · 04/05/2023 19:39

Not just you!

OP has confirmed that she has a perfectly good, fit and well, recently retired mother to help her, who will clearly be far more genuine help than a leachy, skint friend with a child in tow.

SoShallINever · 04/05/2023 19:47

She takes the biscuit. It's just all about her, she cares not a jot about your needs and wishes.

I do wonder wether is is ok mentally because her behaviour is way outside of normal friendship boundaries.

Good luck with your pregnancy.

PinkCast · 04/05/2023 19:50

Riverlee · 04/05/2023 19:38

I’m sort of confused why there would be childcare costs when she’s a single mum. And why you are expected to pay for these? Surely she would be looking after her child?

If the friend's DC got bored or whatever.... the friend would get a sitter to entertain and op would be expected to pay.
Crazy!!!!!

AwkwardArmadillo · 04/05/2023 19:55

Riverlee · 04/05/2023 19:38

I’m sort of confused why there would be childcare costs when she’s a single mum. And why you are expected to pay for these? Surely she would be looking after her child?

I probably wasn’t very clear but, as I mentioned in the OP I did try to point out to her there are likely to be times where it would be inappropriate or distressing for her child to be around. Eg, while I’m in hospital, or if I’m having a difficult time of it at home, complications etc and her DS would be bored, distressed etc.

when I said this, her response was “it’s okay, DS can be left with a sitter.” However, due to her financial situation I’m fully aware the onus would’ve been on me to pay for that. She doesn’t work much as it is, wouldn’t be working at all if she was staying with me and a credit card would be the only way she could even pay her own airfare let alone anything else and I know how expensive last minute, reputable childcare is. So either it wouldn’t happen or I’d end up paying.

OP posts:
Bunce1 · 04/05/2023 19:57

I bloody knew it!

What a user!

Thirdsummerofourdiscontent · 04/05/2023 20:12

Sounds like you think you would be paying for everything while she was staying with you.

sandrene · 04/05/2023 20:14

I'm so glad to read your update OP. What a relief- well done for standing up for yourself! Baby hasn't even arrived yet and you're already being such a good mummy- learning to put yourself and your baby first even if it's uncomfortable or upsets someone else. That's exactly what you need to do 💪

As for your "friend", you've seen her true colours now. I couldn't imagine telling someone with as many difficult issues as you are facing at the moment that "they left ME in a bad position" - wtf! How utterly selfish and self-centred.

Mossandlichen678 · 04/05/2023 20:23

Just read your update! Well done op for sticking to your guns!

I can’t believe that she used that manipulation about disappointing her son. Hardly the act of a true friend.

I think I would have replied “Can you not understand that I am fully focused on my new baby atm?” (brackets expletives)

Newestname002 · 04/05/2023 20:40

@AwkwardArmadillo

That was a tough conversation you had with your previous friend OP and I'm sure you feel sad about how she reacted. But maybe less of a sense of dread? And maybe feeling a bit of weight has lifted from your shoulders?

Please don't feel any guilt about protecting yourself now and in the future from someone who has, obviously, put her own interests before yours and who tried to manipulate you when she should have been supporting you. You will now have a bit more mental energy to focus on your own and your baby's needs - well done. And keep strong. 🌹

2bazookas · 04/05/2023 21:03

The very last thing you'll need around, is a 7 yr old child.
Just firmly put her off.

Clearly the real reason she's coming is to sponge off you. Now you won't need to pay her expenses you can use that money to hire some relaible help when you come home from hospital.

Good luck with the last few weeks of your pregnancy, sounds like you've had a really tough time. It's all going to be worth it when you have the baby in your arms

fairywhale · 04/05/2023 21:08

It'll be no help to you whatsoever, particularly if she has a 7 year old child, and if she has to come and live with you. What a ridiculous suggestion. They'll be a drain and liability and will hinder your recovery. How can people be so ridiculous.

MeridianB · 04/05/2023 21:15

Glad it’s over, OP. As many others have said, her response shows very clearly that this was never about you. Give yourself a hug and try to clear your mind. 🌷

Frogger8395 · 04/05/2023 21:24

I’ve had this operation. You will need someone to stay with you for quite a while. Popping in is no good.

You will not be able to pick your baby up for quite some time.

Muppetshair · 04/05/2023 21:39

She sounds dreadful, self absorbed and bizarre.

What’s with the emotionally manipulative water works?!?

Well done to you - dealt with calmly and directly. I hope you can savour the relief.

I expect she will be back in some other capacity though - helping out for babies 1st xmas - but please shut her right out.

Sounds like you have a lot on your plate health wise and I hope that all goes well for you and your precious bundle of love arrives safely soon.

Take care of yourself

TheMaddHugger · 04/05/2023 22:09

I don't need a crystal ball to see 20 years into the future, she'll be the MIL that takes up real-estate on her son's and DIL's couch expecting cups of tea and home make cake hours after grandchild is born.

And stays for months.

AcrossthePond55 · 04/05/2023 22:31

Just read the thread. Wow!! Sounds as if you've dodged a bullet @AwkwardArmadillo

I was struck by her comment about 'leaving her in this position'. Exactly what position could she mean? That she told her family that she was 'leaving' and now has to backtrack? Someone else mentioned that she possibly saw this as a way to 'escape' living with her family. After all, 'two single mum-friends bringing up their DC together' probably sounds like the answer to all her prayers.

AcrossthePond55 · 04/05/2023 22:36

Oh, and best wishes and good thoughts for the upcoming birth of your baby.

GirlOfTudor · 04/05/2023 22:36

So she wants a free holiday LOL.

tigerlily0 · 04/05/2023 22:50

Literally what everyone else has said about her using u as an escape to a new life. I think uv been absolutely right and ur message and conversation with her was spot on.

I just can't believe she's crying and gaslighting YOU. Ure the pregnant one who is already going thru so much and will go thru a lot yet for birth and postpartum. And rather than helping you emotionally now- she is adding to your mental burden and trying to make you feel bad. That's absolutely awful. It makes me shudder to think what she would have been like had she actually been here to 'help you'. You have had a lucky escape, and I'm glad you have family around to help you, thats all you need and hopefully you will be fine. Good luck with it all

Teenagehorrorbag · 04/05/2023 22:52

Coffeelotsofcoffee · 04/05/2023 06:05

Op .you cant drive for 6 weeks after a c section. You won't be able to collect her from the airport

Just to say, this isn't actually true. (although an excellent reason for telling her not to come....)

I was told that by the nurses after my C Section and was horrified at being stuck at home for 6 weeks. I healed well and felt fine after a few days. I rang my car insurance company and they said it wasn't their rules, if a doctor said you were fit to drive then they had no problem. So I rang the GP and they said it was a bit of an urban myth, if someone felt well enough to drive and more importantly - do an emergency brake if they had to - then they had no problem with it.

Let's face it - if a child runs out in front of your car, you'd hit the brakes before thinking 'ooh my tummy's a bit sore'. You might wince afterwards, but it wouldn't stop you hitting the brakes.

So neither the insurers or the doctors were fussed about the '6 weeks' and I drove quite happily after a fortnight. It's a good reason not to do any ironing though.....Grin.

IWantRebeccasConfidence · 04/05/2023 22:52

Well done for messaging.
the situation she’s talking ab I reckon she’s cancelled her tenancy agreement and thought she’d love with you for a year all expenses paid and it would be an easy ride. Good luck with everything