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AIBU to “cancel” my friend coming to help post birth?

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AwkwardArmadillo · 04/05/2023 00:13

I’m 33 weeks pregnant, likely to give birth via c section around 34-36wk (most likely 35) due to a combo of medical reasons which I won’t get fully into, but rather than a standard c-section, it’ll be an up and down cut (open laparotomy) potentially including a hysterectomy and other procedures.

Recovery is going to be tough and potentially include a substantial hospital stay for me. I hoped to get further along than 35ish weeks but for various reasons including a decline in my health, it won’t be possible.

this is my first and (obviously) likely only child.

I have a friend who lives a substantial distance away (flight needed).
While I do have strong local support, my friend offered to come to stay to help me with recovery and the new baby.

Around 16/17 weeks I was considering it and said I’d let her know. We remained in regular contact, but unfortunately, this clearly sounded like a “yes” to her and it became clear she assumed that’s what I meant. I have repeatedly said “we’ll see, and I’m not sure it’s a good idea” but she seems to want to argue it with me and I’ve not had the strength.

this pregnancy has been brutal, if I’m honest, with over 20 hospital admissions and multiple late nights at A+E plus a fair share of mental health struggles, I should’ve been more direct but I did express my concerns to her. I do admit my fault for not putting my foot down. There are many reasons I’ve turned off of the idea, and I’ll include her rebuttals. example:

friend has a 7yr old child. Obviously, the child would come with her. I don’t necessarily feel comfortable hosting a boisterous child, especially while dealing with a potentially difficult recovery road.

friend says “We’d have our own space, we’ll stay out of your way when you need a breather.” (I have a spare room).

I did also say there may be things related to my recovery that are messy, difficult, uncomfortable and she may not want her DC present to witness it. It’ll also be a nightmare for her DC if I have an extended stay in hospital IMHO.
friend says “If needed, DC can be left with a sitter.” But I know the expense for that would be mine to bear (explained further below).

friend has a low income, meaning I will be left footing the bill for her flights, travel, etc.

She knows I can technically afford it, but I’m trying really hard to save money/not touch savings because I’m taking substantial time off of work (and I’m self employed so mat pay etc is limited).
when I mention cost is an issue, suddenly she offers to pay half or “try to get a credit card” (for various reasons I doubt that would work).

I had a scare a few days ago (light bleeding, monitoring session in hospital), now she’s more insistent than ever, to the point where she’s disregarding that I don’t have time to accommodate her, settle her + her child in, travel several hours each way to do airport pick up, etc.

I know she can sense my hesitancy because recently all she wants to talk about is how “difficult” things are at home (she’s in her 30s but lives with her family, whereas I live alone) and how she “can’t wait for a break”. She’s also mentioned how “excited” her DS is to come. It’s becoming very clear to me that it’s less about helping me and more about helping herself, but I don’t see a way of navigating out of this while retaining our previously very lovely friendship of several years.

aibu to cancel this? And WIBU to ask MN for some advice as to how to go about it? I’ve been running around like a blue arsed fly putting my business into rest mode, so to speak, and making sure everything is ready for the baby. But I need to address this soon. Help?

OP posts:
emmathedilemma · 04/05/2023 18:23

Babyimyours · 04/05/2023 04:02

Am I the only person who thinks the OP has her head in the sand about how difficult caring for a newborn is going to be after such major surgery including a possible hysterectomy as well as other health issues? Without a partner? A meal service and a cleaner are not going to cut it.

Take the help. It’s a rare friend who offers such hands on assistance. If she’s as lovely as you say she is she’ll be thinking of your welfare. She’s had her own child so knows what it’s about. I’d bite her hand off at the offer, frankly!

Not just you!

riseabovetheshite · 04/05/2023 18:27

Annnnnnnnnnnd it is done. Well done OP! The relief that is of your mind now!

HowcanIgetoutofthisalive · 04/05/2023 18:27

isthismylifenow · 04/05/2023 17:26

Her reaction is just proof that she was coming for her own benefit, not so much yours.

Yeah this!

Iamtheonwandlonely · 04/05/2023 18:27

She rang you to try and browbeat you down.
It didn't work,but I wouldn't be surprised if it's not the last you hear from her

Do you have anyone ballsy who tells it like it is.
Maybe get them to answer her the next few ime.
After all you do t need the stress.

QueenSmartypants · 04/05/2023 18:31

emmathedilemma · 04/05/2023 18:23

Not just you!

Even if she is,the "friend" is not the right person to turn to!

Impressed with how well you handled it op, can't get over her reaction but I guess it could have been worse!

AwkwardArmadillo · 04/05/2023 18:31

emmathedilemma · 04/05/2023 18:23

Not just you!

To be fair, I’d probably agree with you, at least partly, if not for the fact she obviously will be bringing her child, and the possible large childcare bill I’d be stuck with (since she unfortunately, openly can’t afford such a bill). Last minute emergency childcare is absolutely eye watering as well.

it’s done now, but I can’t really see how it could’ve benefited anyone in the end. I think even my friends DS would’ve wound up being bored, stuck and upset by the situation. If not traumatised.

OP posts:
Thesharkradar · 04/05/2023 18:32

She rang you to try and browbeat you down
true, she wanted to put you on the spot and make you feel guilty, much harder to do that over messaging, it's not only men who try to exploit women when they are pregnant!
Wtf eh, going all out to control you when you're vulnerable & compromised! You say this is a long established friendship, I have to wonder if she was always like that OP!

AwkwardArmadillo · 04/05/2023 18:33

As for anyone suggesting she’d just turn up - I’m not discounting that possibility completely (though I doubt it), but tbh, I’d probably send my fairly scary mother to deal with her by that point. I said no, if she keeps pushing I just can’t have the argument, I’ll leave it to someone else.

OP posts:
Fatmamslim · 04/05/2023 18:34

That you left her in this situation 😮😮

Yeah, she was planning her new life as pp said. Unbloodybelievable and it really isn't here nor there how her child will see it- that is NOT your problem and even less if they were visiting given you aren't hosting, she was supposed to be taking care of you!

Op, please mark my words. You need a night nanny at the very least.

Eggseggseverywhere · 04/05/2023 18:34

Sounds like she has promised her dc a proper holiday!
Oops. Cfery karma....
Ime of a difficult birth it's hard enough dealing with your own dc never mind someone else's!

Gillbil · 04/05/2023 18:35

No, she shouldn't come at all.
Can you not say the doctor has advised a medical carer to stay with you 24/7 for the first 5 weeks to get yourself situated and they'll need the spare room? And it can't be her because the carer will need to be able to change bandages and remove stitches and have know knowledge about catheters?🤔

HauntedPencil · 04/05/2023 18:39

I wouldn't want a friend staying for an extended period with their child when I felt like shite and was getting to grips with a new baby either. I would just tell her this is why.

Good luck with everything and hope it all goes well

Sugarfree23 · 04/05/2023 18:40

She was definitely trying to put you on the spot. I doubt she'll turn up on your doorstep esp if the journey involves a flight.

But if she does 'sorry you can't stay here, I'll just ring you a taxi to the nearest hotel'

billy1966 · 04/05/2023 18:41

stealtheatingtunnocks · 04/05/2023 18:19

Reposting this wisdom.

it is awful to say, but best note this advice.

Wise words.
I would go so far as to send your mum this thread if you think it would be explanatory.

I also think she could possibly turn up.
She has the neck for it, unfortunately.

Her MOVING IN was NEVER about you or your baby.

It takes a truly astonishing level of selfishness to exploit a single pregnant woman facing surgery.

I don't think you know her at all.

She is not your friend.

Beaverbridge · 04/05/2023 18:43

Oh well, just as we all suspected. Not remotely interested in you or your baby's welfare. Looking to park up and sponge from you. Yeah beware in case she turns up on doorstep. Cf.

Thesharkradar · 04/05/2023 18:51

her turning up on your doorstep with no money and no-where else to go would be very unpleasant-for everyone involved ...I'd not be answering the door unless I knew who it was, just in case.
Seems unlikely she'd have quite that much brass neck surely?

Backtobed · 04/05/2023 18:55

Her response tells you all you need to know.

The fact that she and her son are disappointed just shows you that this was something they were looking forward to and expecting to enjoy. They would have made an already difficult time, worse.

Sevenbells · 04/05/2023 18:55

God almighty. I think the 7 year old will soon forget. She must be disappointed but she's an adult, she will recover. The main thing is you focus on your baby and the recovery/bonding time.

CheeseAndOnionIsMyFav · 04/05/2023 18:57

Well done @AwkwardArmadillo

I have a 7yo and if COVID lockdowns made one thing clear, it's almost impossible to entertain primary-aged children while doing anything else! With the best will in the world, your friend could not have looked after you and her child, full-time.

DelurkingLawyer · 04/05/2023 18:57

What an absolute leech she was. Her reply strongly suggests she wanted to move in on a (semi)permanent basis.

I wouldn’t worry about her turning up though. OP was expected to pay for the flight! One thing I’ve learned about CFs from all the threads about them is that the second they have to put their hand in their own pocket they stop being interested. She won’t cough for a flight for her and her kid when there’s a risk you’ll tell her to fuck right off. Good money wasted. She’ll find a mark closer to home.

Canthave2manycats · 04/05/2023 18:58

You'd never have got rid of her...

Whichnumbers · 04/05/2023 19:00

The crying about not coming was all about her, showing it was plans for her benefit not yours

Fraaahnces · 04/05/2023 19:01

I think the fact that this was so difficult for you at all @AwkwardArmadillo is because you anticipated a manipulative/accusatory meltdown and haven’t exactly been in a well-enough position to brace yourself. To be fair, your “friend” latched onto your vulnerability like a barnacle on a ship and you “felt” it, but couldn’t bring yourself to face her reaction when you “rejected” her plan. (This amounts to rejecting her in her mindset.) Does your relationship with this friend involve you being a people-pleaser and being walked on anyway? I’m guessing you’ve probably paid more than just your own way in the past. I hope you have friends who are less needy and demanding.

Topseyt123 · 04/05/2023 19:11

Well done for staying so strong, OP. That phone call just proved that this was not about helping you at all. Bullet well dodged.

Hopefully she doesn't have the balls and brass neck to actually show up but I agree that you should fill your mother in on what has been happening so that you can get her on the case if necessary.

Justkeepingplatesspinning · 04/05/2023 19:16

Well done for standing firm when you had the phone conversation. It was all about her and not getting a holiday etc. Just shows she never listened to you in the first place, when you voiced your objections.
I agree with PP about getting close family to run interference if she manages to get someone to pay for a flight and hopes she can present you with a fait accompli.
Have a restful remainder of your pregnancy and enjoy nesting. Good luck with the birth and your recovery.

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