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AIBU to “cancel” my friend coming to help post birth?

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AwkwardArmadillo · 04/05/2023 00:13

I’m 33 weeks pregnant, likely to give birth via c section around 34-36wk (most likely 35) due to a combo of medical reasons which I won’t get fully into, but rather than a standard c-section, it’ll be an up and down cut (open laparotomy) potentially including a hysterectomy and other procedures.

Recovery is going to be tough and potentially include a substantial hospital stay for me. I hoped to get further along than 35ish weeks but for various reasons including a decline in my health, it won’t be possible.

this is my first and (obviously) likely only child.

I have a friend who lives a substantial distance away (flight needed).
While I do have strong local support, my friend offered to come to stay to help me with recovery and the new baby.

Around 16/17 weeks I was considering it and said I’d let her know. We remained in regular contact, but unfortunately, this clearly sounded like a “yes” to her and it became clear she assumed that’s what I meant. I have repeatedly said “we’ll see, and I’m not sure it’s a good idea” but she seems to want to argue it with me and I’ve not had the strength.

this pregnancy has been brutal, if I’m honest, with over 20 hospital admissions and multiple late nights at A+E plus a fair share of mental health struggles, I should’ve been more direct but I did express my concerns to her. I do admit my fault for not putting my foot down. There are many reasons I’ve turned off of the idea, and I’ll include her rebuttals. example:

friend has a 7yr old child. Obviously, the child would come with her. I don’t necessarily feel comfortable hosting a boisterous child, especially while dealing with a potentially difficult recovery road.

friend says “We’d have our own space, we’ll stay out of your way when you need a breather.” (I have a spare room).

I did also say there may be things related to my recovery that are messy, difficult, uncomfortable and she may not want her DC present to witness it. It’ll also be a nightmare for her DC if I have an extended stay in hospital IMHO.
friend says “If needed, DC can be left with a sitter.” But I know the expense for that would be mine to bear (explained further below).

friend has a low income, meaning I will be left footing the bill for her flights, travel, etc.

She knows I can technically afford it, but I’m trying really hard to save money/not touch savings because I’m taking substantial time off of work (and I’m self employed so mat pay etc is limited).
when I mention cost is an issue, suddenly she offers to pay half or “try to get a credit card” (for various reasons I doubt that would work).

I had a scare a few days ago (light bleeding, monitoring session in hospital), now she’s more insistent than ever, to the point where she’s disregarding that I don’t have time to accommodate her, settle her + her child in, travel several hours each way to do airport pick up, etc.

I know she can sense my hesitancy because recently all she wants to talk about is how “difficult” things are at home (she’s in her 30s but lives with her family, whereas I live alone) and how she “can’t wait for a break”. She’s also mentioned how “excited” her DS is to come. It’s becoming very clear to me that it’s less about helping me and more about helping herself, but I don’t see a way of navigating out of this while retaining our previously very lovely friendship of several years.

aibu to cancel this? And WIBU to ask MN for some advice as to how to go about it? I’ve been running around like a blue arsed fly putting my business into rest mode, so to speak, and making sure everything is ready for the baby. But I need to address this soon. Help?

OP posts:
Clymene · 04/05/2023 13:29

Excellent text.

ItsCalledAConversation · 04/05/2023 13:41

I don’t think this is a friend unfortunately OP. She’s not listening to you or being at all sensitive, and she’s obviously viewing the whole thing as a jolly for her and her DC (who at 7 shouldn’t be having their schooling disrupted for the trip anyway surely?). She’s putting aside everything you say and prioritising herself in all this. Hardly someone you’d actually want around when you’re at your weakest.

You need to be very crystal clear, and risk ending the friendship over it if needs be.

”Sorry friend, but I’ve got to be honest, I’ve changed my mind about having you come after the birth. I’ve already got all the support I need here. I just don’t think you and DC flying over to to stay with me is going to work for all sorts of reasons, money, your DC needing to come, my recovery, everything about it I’m afraid. It’s making me feel worried that you’re going to be disappointed, and I’m sorry for that, but I have to be clear as I don’t think you’re taking some of the hints I’ve been dropping. I hope you understand. Love, OP.”

See what she comes back with, but anything other than “of course my love totally understand” isn’t a friend.

Jennylou88 · 04/05/2023 13:41

I've recently had a section where I needed both a horizontal and then a large vertical cut due to complications. So wanted to try and share advice for recovery over your friend situation. But I agree you do not want to be hosting!!
recovery has been hard, more so trying to get up and down from the bed/sofa whilst holding the baby.
make sure you have as much as possible to hand (snacks, pain meds, drink, nappy change bag) get a next to me crib or look at the lullaby trust for safe co-sleeping advice, as moving baby in and out of a cot can be painful at first.
If you're thinking about breast feeding then research the rugby hold to keep baby away from your wound.
wear loose high waisted clothing. If you need to cough hold a cushion against your abdominal muscles - it helps for some reason! Drink peppermint tea or consider asking for a laxative prior to leaving hospital.
if family can stay then ask them too. Don't be too proud to get support. The first week is very very tough. or if you can stay in hospital for a few nights then do!
feel free to message if you have any questions. Wishing you all the best x

Cheesecakeandwineinasuitcase · 04/05/2023 13:51

AwkwardArmadillo · 04/05/2023 13:13

No response as yet, will update when there is one. I’m half expecting a tantrum from her regardless. But I’m going to stand firm. The more I think her coming, the more it fills me with dread tbh

I don’t think she sounds like much of a friend at all to be honest. She sounds like a bit of a user.

CoozudBoyuPuak · 04/05/2023 13:51

You are being really unreasonable to have been so equivocal and pussyfooting for so long - you should have said WEEKS ago when it first became clear that she had the wrong end of the stick. You need to make it really clear right now that as much as you appreciate her good intentions, the whole plan is wrong for you. She sounds like a wannabe CF who is trying to turn your difficult situation into an opportunity for her own advantage and I am not at all sure at this point whether she is even a true friend. If her response to you cancelling is to say "of course, sure, just let me know if there is something else I can do to help" then yes she is a friend. If she kicks off and starts whining about how she is going to manage if she can't come and live with you for months then she is a definite CF, and not a true friend at all, and you should have nothing more to do with her.

3luckystars · 04/05/2023 14:00

This is the one time in your life that you can say or do anything and everyone will understand. Don’t worry if she is angry because her plans have been altered.

Stop her coming at all costs. Move out if you have to. Keep saying NO NO NO and do whatever you need to to keep her away.

Do not let her upset you at an already stressful time. If you allow her to come, your friendship will be completely over and she will have ruined the first few weeks of your baby’s life. Tell her no with the strength of someone lifting a horse up over their head and do not let her bully you.

good luck

AwkwardArmadillo · 04/05/2023 14:01

CoozudBoyuPuak · 04/05/2023 13:51

You are being really unreasonable to have been so equivocal and pussyfooting for so long - you should have said WEEKS ago when it first became clear that she had the wrong end of the stick. You need to make it really clear right now that as much as you appreciate her good intentions, the whole plan is wrong for you. She sounds like a wannabe CF who is trying to turn your difficult situation into an opportunity for her own advantage and I am not at all sure at this point whether she is even a true friend. If her response to you cancelling is to say "of course, sure, just let me know if there is something else I can do to help" then yes she is a friend. If she kicks off and starts whining about how she is going to manage if she can't come and live with you for months then she is a definite CF, and not a true friend at all, and you should have nothing more to do with her.

100% agree I was too wishy washy about it. She smacked down my objections consistently and I just didn’t have it in me to fight with her on it. But I should’ve been direct sooner. That’s my fault. But I do wish she’d also listened to my objections, she clearly knew I didn’t want it (hence the recent pressure). But I get what you’re saying and I agree.

alas, still no response as yet (which is strange for her).

OP posts:
Pocketfullofdogtreats · 04/05/2023 14:11

Yours was an excellent text, OP. Unfortunately she won't like it, as you'll be throwing out her plans, so when she argues with you, have a short, sharp response ready -" I'm really sorry:that it's not going to be possible for you to stay at this time after all". And if necessary, say that you aren't able to discuss it further. You are definitely doing the right thing for yourself and your baby, and you should not feel guilty. A true friend will understand. Best wishes xx

Hazelnuttella · 04/05/2023 14:12

I think you’re being a bit hard on yourself tbh OP.
If you’ve told her before “I don’t think it would be a good idea”, most people would understand that you’re telling them not to come. I think she’ll wilfully misunderstood/ignored your objections.

CuriousMama · 04/05/2023 14:12

Do you know if she's read it?

Americano75 · 04/05/2023 14:22

Stand firm, don't waver. You've got enough on your plate without having this kind of nonsense to deal with, and any good friend would get that.

Anniegetyourgun · 04/05/2023 14:25

Excellent text, clear but not harsh. It may take her a while to come back from that Wink

RunningWaterElectricity · 04/05/2023 14:28

AwkwardArmadillo · 04/05/2023 14:01

100% agree I was too wishy washy about it. She smacked down my objections consistently and I just didn’t have it in me to fight with her on it. But I should’ve been direct sooner. That’s my fault. But I do wish she’d also listened to my objections, she clearly knew I didn’t want it (hence the recent pressure). But I get what you’re saying and I agree.

alas, still no response as yet (which is strange for her).

People are being very harsh to you, OP. The fact is, most people 'offering help' would have taken the fucking hint rather than shoving themselves and their child unwanted into a very precarious situation. Most people wouldn't have needed you to be horribly horribly blunt about it (which by the way, you still haven't been, you've been very polite) because MOST people aren't completely self-sevingly blind to all the objections you raised.

Wishing you the very best of luck with everything over the coming weeks.

imnotsadyouresad · 04/05/2023 14:29

Just think how liberated you'll feel, OP, starting this new chapter of your life with a healthy new baby, lots of support around you, and BOUNDARIES!

I know you're feeling anxious about the potential fallout, but I'm feeling really excited for you. I mean, once you hold to your boundaries with this 'friend', it'll be so much easier keeping your boundaries with anyone else. That's a massive positive change. Stay firm, OP. You've got this.

Kittykatchunjy · 04/05/2023 14:31

Hope she's understanding 🤞

ReallyShouldBeDoingSomethingElse · 04/05/2023 14:33

Yes, your HV could definitely be very very useful here. I am a lone parent too and needed a bit of support due to prenatal depression. My HV was fabulous at putting things in place for me.

In terms of support after a C section (I can't comment re other surgery) as a lone parent, I would have struggled without the brilliant support of my mum who stayed for a few weeks mostly because coupled with the surgery recovery, DD didn't feed well so that first couple of weeks were hugely stressful. I definitely felt better for having my mum available. However, it wouldn't have been impossible and I know other single mums by choice who actively chose not to have supportive friends/family around and were fine!

p.s. I don't know of any hospitals that would allow a 7-year old non-relation to be on a ward (my DF has been in hospital for weeks on end, three different hospitals and all have a no under 12s rule for visitors).

ReddishBrown · 04/05/2023 14:52

You are being too hard on yourself as others have said. She should have taken the hint. There is no way in earth I would keep pressuring like that if I knew someone was unsure. That’s just bullish.

OnedayIwillfeelfree · 04/05/2023 15:08

Don’t waver. You have told her, and if she can’t accept it that is her problem, don’t let her make it yours. Good luck with the birth and your new bundle of joy!

LookItsMeAgain · 04/05/2023 15:09

It's a good text @AwkwardArmadillo but I fear it's not direct enough, comparing her style of texting to yours.

I hope she is understands that you really really don't want her to show up anytime soon.

Best of luck with everything coming up to the birth and your recovery afterwards!

Ilovetea42 · 04/05/2023 15:11

Do you have family who can stay with you instead? Or who you could stay with? I had a section a few months ago and in the early days dh literally needed to dress me and help me get in and out of the shower because our shower is in our bath. It's not easy and you won't be up to cleaning etc. I'm not sure how you're planning to feed but I bf and baby cluster fed for 9 hrs a day at times in the early days. Its very intense never mind the hormones and just the general acknowledgement that your body has been through something huge. You will need someone with you to help you get in and out of bed etc at the very beginning at least. I say this because I pulled my stitches doing too much in week 3 when my dh went back to work the first day I was left alone and then really struggled to get infection under control. So honestly the easier you take it the easier and faster the recovery will be, the more you push yourself the longer it will take you to recover fully. If you haven't booked any flights etc then it's fine to cancel her, but just please make sure you have someone ready to take her place.

BanditsOnTheHorizon · 04/05/2023 15:17

Great message, I think regardless of what she comes back with (if anything), you can use was kind of you to offer, but I’d rather stick with my support network at this time. It’s best for everyone. Maybe we can see each other another time?”
Rinse and repeat if necessary

AliceOlive · 04/05/2023 15:18

BanditsOnTheHorizon · 04/05/2023 15:17

Great message, I think regardless of what she comes back with (if anything), you can use was kind of you to offer, but I’d rather stick with my support network at this time. It’s best for everyone. Maybe we can see each other another time?”
Rinse and repeat if necessary

I like this but instead of “I’d rather” you can say “I will be sticking”.. just comes across as more settled and firm.

ClawedButler · 04/05/2023 15:19

I don't think you were being "wishy washy", you were trying to be kind. It's not your fault she has the skin of a rhino.

Also, if she's expecting you to pay for the flights, there's a very easy way to prevent her from coming!

MoleOfKingTyre · 04/05/2023 15:27

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Prettypaisleyslippers · 04/05/2023 15:45

I bet she is on Mumsnet and has seen this