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AIBU to think this homage to the King will go badly wrong?

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MRex · 30/04/2023 06:40

According to BBC news: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65435426

There are hopes that people will say out loud: "I swear that I will pay true allegiance to Your Majesty, and to your heirs and successors according to law. So help me God."

The Archbishop of Canterbury will then proclaim "God save the King", with all asked to respond: "God save King Charles. Long live King Charles. May the King live forever."

This is surely madness. Asking everyone in the Abbey - sure. People crowding nearby might be swayed to say "Hail the King" or something similarly short. But hoping for video footage of crowds in parks and pubs shouting a great long sentence that most don't fully buy into, then doing it again and with "live forever"! Does Charles really think he's liked that much? Is he? It doesn't seem very British at all, and seems destined to be a mess of people saying random stuff loudly.

The new photos were taken in the Blue Drawing Room at Buckingham Palace

Coronation: Public asked to swear allegiance to King Charles

The pledge is among several changes to the service, which will incorporate female clergy and other faiths.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65435426

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Biddie191 · 02/05/2023 12:33

AutumnCrow · 02/05/2023 12:21

William's accent in 'The Windsors' would have it as something like shhay't.

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Outgrabe · 30/04/2023 07:51
TooMuchStuffArghhh · 30/04/2023 06:43

Fuck that, pile of shite.
And this also has the advantage of being considerable easier to say en masse.

AutumnCrow - you see, another variation I'd not even thought of!

StrawberryWater · 02/05/2023 12:42

I won’t be doing it. I find the whole idea rather grim.

JesusMaryAndJosephAndTheWeeDon · 02/05/2023 13:25

Anonymouseposter · 02/05/2023 06:24

I don’t dislike Charles and I will watch on TV but I won’t be joining in a crowd scene from a Monty Python sketch.

That sounds more fun though!

Perhaps at the appointed time we could all stand up and say

"he's not the Messiah he's a very naughty boy"

Or

"We are all individuals"

DonnaBanana · 02/05/2023 13:46

They HAVE to swear allegiance. I wonder how many people in the Armed Forces don't give a shit about the RF but swear allegiance because they have to or else they don't get in.

That would be dishonest and fraudulent. No one has to swear allegiance. If you would not be loyal to the crown, you're not much use in the armed forces and should not join. Swearing allegiance to the crown does not mean you have to care about the Royal Family as such but about the institution and the British style of governance.

JoWawa · 02/05/2023 14:43

Not an Oxford comma. They are used in lists where the sense might be ambiguous. For example, in the sentence I love my pets, chocolate, and pizza, the Oxford comma makes it clear that all three items are separate. This one could be confusing if the Oxford comma were left out: I love my pets, chocolate and pizza might mean that the speaker’s pets are named Chocolate and Pizza or that you like eating choclate and pizza at the same time.

The comma in the sentence that you referred to is unnessary, as it is is just there as a conjuntion.

Xenia · 02/05/2023 14:53

JoWawa, thanks - excellent answer and still confirms to me the comma is wrong and I hate the comma in that place.....

vera99 · 02/05/2023 14:57

You just know a ruddy faced Nigel Farage will be in videos doing this excrescence with the rest of the GB News plastic fascists. May God (if she exists) have mercy on us all.

malapast · 02/05/2023 15:11

Xenia · 02/05/2023 14:53

JoWawa, thanks - excellent answer and still confirms to me the comma is wrong and I hate the comma in that place.....

I assume that since we have the Queen's now King's English that if he so commands he can dictate what he likes about commas, all the stinking time so then you as a subject, would just have to, suck, it up !!!!! 😂

I hereby command that I wish upon my humble market trader subjects those cheeky chappies who do love the monarch so much that from henceforth the grocer's apostrophe will be legal and accepted in all markets of the realm without comment or hindrance. So help me tomato's.

thehorsehasnowbolted · 02/05/2023 15:30

It's just tradition.

Don't say it if you don't want to, nobody is forcing youand the police won't be at you door. So much drama over nothing 🙄

Junosui · 02/05/2023 16:08

thehorsehasnowbolted · 02/05/2023 15:30

It's just tradition.

Don't say it if you don't want to, nobody is forcing youand the police won't be at you door. So much drama over nothing 🙄

It's not 'nothing.' It's a tenet of a vastly expensive, increasingly controversial, unwieldy and outdated institution that we are forced to be 'subjects' of.

For anti-monarchists, it's a critical thing. For anyone wavering, it's might be a turning point in their belief system.

Be reductive if you want, but it won't help - this IS an issue.

Annemaria · 02/05/2023 16:33

If anything is calculated to encourage the populace to go republican this is it. How the tax payer can be required to fund a ridiculous ceremony like the coronation when people are presently so desperately short of funds as to support even a basic life style shows how out of touch the royal family is. Let King Charles part with some of his huge inherited, unearned wealth to benefit those at the bottom of our hideously unequal society rather than expect us to grovel at his feet.

KingSpaniel · 02/05/2023 16:43

@thehorsehasnowbolted but it isn’t that’s the whole point! It’s a new thing by this “modernising” monarch 🙄.

Blossomtoes · 02/05/2023 17:22

KingSpaniel · 02/05/2023 16:43

@thehorsehasnowbolted but it isn’t that’s the whole point! It’s a new thing by this “modernising” monarch 🙄.

It’s only a new thing because there was no infrastructure for it to happen in the past. In 1953 most households didn’t even have TV sets. This time round everyone has the opportunity to watch it, big screens are being set up for communal watching, pubs are holding events with it at their centre. It will be very interesting to see take up at communal events. My money’s on it being huge.

Tesal · 02/05/2023 17:24

TooMuchStuffArghhh · 30/04/2023 06:43

Fuck that, pile of shite.

Quite.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 02/05/2023 18:58

It’s only a new thing because there was no infrastructure for it to happen in the past. In 1953 most households didn’t even have TV sets

No but most had radios, and in that more deferential age where it just might have been more acceptable in enabling people to feel "part of it", it didn't happen

Fast forward to today, and now Justin Welby's felt it necessary to defend the idea: https://www.itv.com/watch/news/archbishop-of-canterbury-defends-the-coronations-public-pledge-of-allegiance/yvhzdbp
A little odd, perhaps, for him to suggest people need to get "a bit less excited" , when it was Lambeth Palace jabbering that it's "particularly exciting" with hyperbole about "a great cry around the nation" (they managed to avoid saying "hosannah"), but tone deafness appears to be spreading

Novella4 · 02/05/2023 19:18

@Puzzledandpissedoff

That was extremely poor from Welby

So it's a normal part of Anglican service to pledge allegiance to some man ?
False idols anyone ?

And no , 'if it wasn't this it would have been something else '! How patronising
It was all very meh up to Sunday - the result of this wheeze has to been to push the meh people into anger .

They haven't a clue , that much is clear .

bringitonnow · 02/05/2023 19:24

The only swearing I will be doing is two words the first beginning in F and the second O. France had the right idea in 1789.

cakeorwine · 02/05/2023 19:29

DonnaBanana · 02/05/2023 13:46

They HAVE to swear allegiance. I wonder how many people in the Armed Forces don't give a shit about the RF but swear allegiance because they have to or else they don't get in.

That would be dishonest and fraudulent. No one has to swear allegiance. If you would not be loyal to the crown, you're not much use in the armed forces and should not join. Swearing allegiance to the crown does not mean you have to care about the Royal Family as such but about the institution and the British style of governance.

I think that you can not be loyal to the Crown but you can be loyal to your country.

What comes first? Country or Crown?

3dogsandarabbit · 02/05/2023 19:39

cakeorwine - Doesn't the crown come first i.e serve Queen/King and country.

I can still remember my Brownie promise from the 1970s "I promise that I will do my best to do my duty to God, to serve the Queen and help other people and to keep the brownie/guide law."

Do they still have to say this?

cakeorwine · 02/05/2023 19:53

3dogsandarabbit · 02/05/2023 19:39

cakeorwine - Doesn't the crown come first i.e serve Queen/King and country.

I can still remember my Brownie promise from the 1970s "I promise that I will do my best to do my duty to God, to serve the Queen and help other people and to keep the brownie/guide law."

Do they still have to say this?

Country.

And this is why we should not have a Monarchy.

cakeorwine · 02/05/2023 19:56

I am sure it will be on Have I got News for You on Friday night.

KingSpaniel · 02/05/2023 20:13

@Blossomtoes but that’s a meaningless sample! Of course those watching at outdoor events will take part - those of us who don’t give a fuck (a much larger number!) will be as far away from it as possible. 🤷‍♀️

Bloopsie · 03/05/2023 08:08

thehorsehasnowbolted · 02/05/2023 15:30

It's just tradition.

Don't say it if you don't want to, nobody is forcing youand the police won't be at you door. So much drama over nothing 🙄

We all have to fund them still tho.. regardless how we feel about family with links of incest/slavery at home and abroad/pillaging,looting,genocides done on their name which benefited them etc.

why?

Annemaria · 03/05/2023 11:23

I agree with Bloopsie.

Softoprider · 03/05/2023 14:34

The Brownie promise was made when the Royals actually meant something and before they all went to the dogs