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AIBU to think this homage to the King will go badly wrong?

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MRex · 30/04/2023 06:40

According to BBC news: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65435426

There are hopes that people will say out loud: "I swear that I will pay true allegiance to Your Majesty, and to your heirs and successors according to law. So help me God."

The Archbishop of Canterbury will then proclaim "God save the King", with all asked to respond: "God save King Charles. Long live King Charles. May the King live forever."

This is surely madness. Asking everyone in the Abbey - sure. People crowding nearby might be swayed to say "Hail the King" or something similarly short. But hoping for video footage of crowds in parks and pubs shouting a great long sentence that most don't fully buy into, then doing it again and with "live forever"! Does Charles really think he's liked that much? Is he? It doesn't seem very British at all, and seems destined to be a mess of people saying random stuff loudly.

The new photos were taken in the Blue Drawing Room at Buckingham Palace

Coronation: Public asked to swear allegiance to King Charles

The pledge is among several changes to the service, which will incorporate female clergy and other faiths.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65435426

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KingSpaniel · 30/04/2023 07:27

Lots of people will say it for the same reasons they’re going to London, it’s history innit! It completely baffles me - lots of things are history, it doesn’t mean I need to witness it 😬🙄.

poppysockies · 30/04/2023 07:29

I won't be in the Abbey so I won't be taking part, but I really can't see what the fuss is about.

Interesting post, @CoozudBoyuPuak Zadok the Priest is a fabulous piece of music

Port1aCastis · 30/04/2023 07:30

Should we tug our forelocks and shout Hallelujah as well.

Yep fuck that shite!

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 30/04/2023 07:31

Deluded fool

NeverTrustAPoliceman · 30/04/2023 07:33

Count me out. As an anti-monarchist who doesn't believe in any god it does not apply to me.

Not my king, not my thing.

GooseberryCinnamonYogurt · 30/04/2023 07:33

Will he please pay inheritance tax on the race horses, paintings etc inherited from his mother?

Mistymoonsinastarrysky · 30/04/2023 07:33

Stuff that.
Just how much more deluded and removed from reality can you get?
I have zero interest in this whole shebang.

TheaBrandt · 30/04/2023 07:33

Yes fir some reason it brings to mind Life if Brian type medieval crowds shouting things. Also it makes no sense - no one lives forever.

cocoloco117 · 30/04/2023 07:35

I’m sure they’ll find plenty of supercilious twats around the place to do it.

110APiccadilly · 30/04/2023 07:36

Actually, I would have thought the Abbey will be more of an issue. Won't there be a load of foreign heads of state there? They can hardly start pledging allegiance to Charles. Awkward.

Blankscreen · 30/04/2023 07:37

They are so far detached from reality.

The county is in dire straights and still they don't pay inheritance tax when inheriting millions.

I just cannot fathom why anyone is interested in the Royals.

electricmoccasins · 30/04/2023 07:37

“May the king live forever!”

The only possible way this line makes sense is if it’s referring to the Body Politic… and even that’s pushing it.

Itslookinggood · 30/04/2023 07:42

Fell out of the right vagina at the right time 😂

I bet in the montages they will no doubt show, it will be mainly much older people.

I am 53 but not a mediaeval peasant so no thanks.

HeadNorth · 30/04/2023 07:42

I'm thinking of Blackadder where the Hugh Laurie character says 'the public love me, did you hear them calling 'we hail Prince George' and Rowan corrects him - they are calling 'we hate Prince George' 😀

Mummynew08 · 30/04/2023 07:43

Yanbu of course and especially on your practical point - it'll sound garbled.

But I just wanted to point out I think "may the king live forever" doesn't mean may Charles live forever - I think it means the institution. When Charles dies, William would become king so the King-ness would "live on" through him.

But yeah, I'm a bit of a grump and don't feel I need a royal family. But I appreciate I'm in the minority. I also refuse to pretend that Father Christmas is real to DD which I think is part of the same kind of believing-in-magic while ignoring practicalities thing. I think you have to believe in a kind of royal magic to get into the coronation

OhYouBadBadKitten · 30/04/2023 07:45

TooMuchStuffArghhh · 30/04/2023 06:43

Fuck that, pile of shite.

hear hear.
Although I am now greatly cheered by the idea of it being a random jumbled up mumble, so thank you MRex

Doagooddeed · 30/04/2023 07:50

WTF???

The nation is falling aprt before our very eyes but these twats expect us to treat KC3 as some sort of deity, unbelievable.

Will have the exact opposite effect.

timetochangeagainagain · 30/04/2023 07:50

I would imagine if you're committed enough to go and stand in a huge queue or sit in a park to watch, you'd be committed enough to say it with all the crowds of others. You'd probably just get swept along with it.

I personally don't understand the idea of swearing allegiance to anything other than God (I'm a Christian). I'll be watching on TV but I wouldn't swear allegiance to a person.

Outgrabe · 30/04/2023 07:51

TooMuchStuffArghhh · 30/04/2023 06:43

Fuck that, pile of shite.

And this also has the advantage of being considerable easier to say en masse.

Dedodee · 30/04/2023 07:58

My first thought was is this a special Elvis anniversary?
He will always be the King. 😂

OhYouBadBadKitten · 30/04/2023 07:59

CoozudBoyuPuak · 30/04/2023 07:13

The wording will be because it's a direct quote from the words, which Handel immortalised in the coronation anthem for George II but which has been used since long before that

Zadok the priest
And Nathan the prophet
Anointed Solomon king
And all the people
Rejoiced, and said
God save the king
Long live the king
May the king live forever
Alleluia, amen.

This is a paraphrase/ condensation of 1 King 1 34-45 but these words have been used in british (and previously english prior to britaim being a thing) coronations for well ove a thousand years. If you're going to have a coronation you might as well use these traditional words somewhere but it's more appropriate to just have a choir singing them in an anthem rather than expecting ordinary people to buy into the grovelling.

It's a bloody cheek if they are trying to compare him to King Solomon!

SquidwardBound · 30/04/2023 08:01

I anticipate a depressing number of people actually doing this.

I certainly will not.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 30/04/2023 08:01

Not a snowball’s chance in hell I would do this. If I have an allegiance, it’s to the country Charles happens to be the Constitutional Monarch of, not to the Crown. I think this is a mistake and doesn’t reflect well on Charles (he may have had nothing to do with the idea) as it looks like he wants forelock tugging subservience rather than earning respect. It sounds like a think tank / planning committee got carried away with its own cleverness and didn’t recognise how this might appear to people outside their excited little bubble.