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AIBU to think this homage to the King will go badly wrong?

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MRex · 30/04/2023 06:40

According to BBC news: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65435426

There are hopes that people will say out loud: "I swear that I will pay true allegiance to Your Majesty, and to your heirs and successors according to law. So help me God."

The Archbishop of Canterbury will then proclaim "God save the King", with all asked to respond: "God save King Charles. Long live King Charles. May the King live forever."

This is surely madness. Asking everyone in the Abbey - sure. People crowding nearby might be swayed to say "Hail the King" or something similarly short. But hoping for video footage of crowds in parks and pubs shouting a great long sentence that most don't fully buy into, then doing it again and with "live forever"! Does Charles really think he's liked that much? Is he? It doesn't seem very British at all, and seems destined to be a mess of people saying random stuff loudly.

The new photos were taken in the Blue Drawing Room at Buckingham Palace

Coronation: Public asked to swear allegiance to King Charles

The pledge is among several changes to the service, which will incorporate female clergy and other faiths.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65435426

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00100001 · 30/04/2023 08:49

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 30/04/2023 08:41

I do think this matters. We have a Constitutional Monarchy with power residing in the Government and Parliament. Requesting people swear allegiance to the King suggests a focus of power and loyalty away from the democratic elements of the State. Charles is a figurehead and this request for national allegiance moves beyond that so imply a direct request for loyalty to him / the Monarch rather than to all elements of the State. I am uncomfortable with that as I think it oversteps the boundaries of a Constitutional Monarchy.

What power do they really have?

Phos · 30/04/2023 08:50

I’ll do it

BeverForget · 30/04/2023 08:51

There is only one true King, Viggo Mortensen.
And he is welcome to break into MY castle gates any time he likes...

DeflatedAgain · 30/04/2023 08:51

It's getting ridiculous now. Literally don't know anyone who cares.

They should just put the £100million of taxpayers money they've stolen for this event and gift it to the NHS or something people actually need.

Crazy

PollyThePixie · 30/04/2023 08:53

malapast · 30/04/2023 08:49

He can take that the thieving magpie and his conniving, spiteful mistress and stick it up his anointed royal fundament.

Who’s the Magpie please.?

calimali · 30/04/2023 08:53

Ahh - the usual argument. It will bring in loads of money from tourists. I have used this one myself, but I am seriously adjusting my position on this.

Those people who are travelling to see the coronation are dyed in the wool royalists. They would have travelled if one fifth of the money had been spent on the pomp and ceremony. Let's face it if Eurovision can get Liverpool hotels booked up at hugely inflated prices the it shows that people will pay top dollar for what they enjoy. How much is Eurovision costing in comparison?

People will also pay to visit the royal palaces with or without a monarchy. The buildings themselves are the draw, not the people who live in them. In fact most of the them are not 'lived in' anyway for most of he time.

I do with the UK royals would take a leaf out the book for some of the royal families in Europe. Much more low key, much less expense to the tax payer.

Outgrabe · 30/04/2023 08:54

BeverForget · 30/04/2023 08:51

There is only one true King, Viggo Mortensen.
And he is welcome to break into MY castle gates any time he likes...

In fairness, he did look way hotter as a grubby Ranger. I thought his hotness quotient had sadly declined on his coronation day because he’d washed his hair for once.

ThisSingleMama · 30/04/2023 08:54

How will it 'go wrong'?

People will either do it or they won't

Dguu6u · 30/04/2023 08:55

00100001 · 30/04/2023 08:49

What power do they really have?

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People don't realise the king has the power to veto any law going through parliament. The royal family can bypass the democratic process purely for self-interest. They have done this more than 1000 times. They do this to be exempt from tax or anything affecting their land. Plenty of power!

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/08/royals-vetted-more-than-1000-laws-via-queens-consent

Royals vetted more than 1,000 laws via Queen’s consent

Exclusive: secretive procedure used to review laws ranging from Brexit trade deal to inheritance and land policy

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/08/royals-vetted-more-than-1000-laws-via-queens-consent

Norriscolesbag · 30/04/2023 08:55

PollyThePixie · 30/04/2023 08:53

Who’s the Magpie please.?

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Charles presumably?

AngelinaFibres · 30/04/2023 08:55

When Harry and Meghan got married there didn't seem to be any union flag bunting left in any shops anywhere. I bought some early ( to decorate our community shop in my village) in case it ran out. There seems to be shed loads if it left in the shops this time. Not getting the feel that people are massively excited about this event.

Sceptre86 · 30/04/2023 08:55

They should have left well alone. The firm needs good pr though and having well-wishers screaming that in unison will be projected to the world showing that the uk appetite for the monarchy is well and truly alive. It is a special day for him and I hope it goes well but I just wouldn't have put this out there. It could definitely lead to some boos or negativity.

Novella4 · 30/04/2023 08:55

I think they mean it will provoke a negative backlash

Which it has
Spectacularly

carriedout · 30/04/2023 08:56

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 30/04/2023 08:41

I do think this matters. We have a Constitutional Monarchy with power residing in the Government and Parliament. Requesting people swear allegiance to the King suggests a focus of power and loyalty away from the democratic elements of the State. Charles is a figurehead and this request for national allegiance moves beyond that so imply a direct request for loyalty to him / the Monarch rather than to all elements of the State. I am uncomfortable with that as I think it oversteps the boundaries of a Constitutional Monarchy.

I agree with this.

If the monarchy are basing their justification for their position on tradition, you can't go meddling with the traditions.

Also, you invite those who want to make a statement of non-allegiance to do so at that exact point. PR-wise, this seems a risk. This has boaty-mcboatface potential.

OneInEight · 30/04/2023 08:56

I thought i was ambivalent about the monarchy. However, my reaction to the idea that I should pledge loyalty blah blah blah has made me realise that actually I think it no longer has a place in current times.

Rosula · 30/04/2023 08:56

Xenia · 30/04/2023 06:42

I think they might have been better just leaving thing as they were for the previous monarch.

I have already been exercised by what I think is called an Oxford comma before the "and" which I really don't think should be there.

Well, that Oxford comma has lost them the Times readers.

Novella4 · 30/04/2023 08:56

Sorry that was in answer to @ThisSingleMama

PurpleWisteria1 · 30/04/2023 08:58

timetochangeagainagain · 30/04/2023 07:50

I would imagine if you're committed enough to go and stand in a huge queue or sit in a park to watch, you'd be committed enough to say it with all the crowds of others. You'd probably just get swept along with it.

I personally don't understand the idea of swearing allegiance to anything other than God (I'm a Christian). I'll be watching on TV but I wouldn't swear allegiance to a person.

Are you CofE?

Rosula · 30/04/2023 08:58

I just find the whole idea incredibly cringey. And it's all a bit exclusionary to those who don't believe in a god.

malapast · 30/04/2023 08:58

PollyThePixie · 30/04/2023 08:53

Who’s the Magpie please.?

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It represents the Royal acquisition of stuff by nicking it in bloody mafia style wars in ages past and laundering the proceeds through the creation of tradition and funny clothes and hats that say to the peasants we rule over you. There's a reason the army swears allegiance to the monarch and not the state and takes a big place in ceremonies. They are his armed henchman he is the Godfather...

the godfather best scene

the godfather best scene P.s: i love his cat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i96VS_z8y7g

carriedout · 30/04/2023 08:58

ThisSingleMama · 30/04/2023 08:54

How will it 'go wrong'?

People will either do it or they won't

You have to be very confident people will do as you ask when you ask them to do something like this.

FreddiesTeeth · 30/04/2023 08:59

OneInEight · 30/04/2023 08:56

I thought i was ambivalent about the monarchy. However, my reaction to the idea that I should pledge loyalty blah blah blah has made me realise that actually I think it no longer has a place in current times.

Very much this.

carriedout · 30/04/2023 09:00

OneInEight · 30/04/2023 08:56

I thought i was ambivalent about the monarchy. However, my reaction to the idea that I should pledge loyalty blah blah blah has made me realise that actually I think it no longer has a place in current times.

This is precisely the issue - if you ask people who are ambivalent to pick a side, you have to be very confident they willpick the side you want.

i.e. do not overplay your hand.

Outdamnspot23 · 30/04/2023 09:00

poppysockies · 30/04/2023 08:33

I am not a royalist but this thread is silly, they are just extending the offer to join in from just peers to whoever wants to.

There’s nothing wrong with that, and it is not the same as expecting most people to
do it - of course they don’t expect that.

This. It's a complete non-story, stirred up by republicans with an agenda

I don’t think so, it was on the BBC last night which has a royal charter and across other news sites, so I assume it’s been “stirred up” by someone putting out a press release about it from whoever is organising the coronation.

They kind of have to really or no one would even know they could join in.

Havanananana · 30/04/2023 09:01

"We live in a country where, if you like, you can join in pledging allegiance. If you don't want to, no-one gives a stuff."

There are 7 Westminster MPs who have been elected by their constituents but who refuse to take their seats in Parliament because they are required to pledge allegiance to the King. For them and for the people they represent, this is very much an issue.

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