Page 9 | Is she English or Portuguese? Please help me settle a debate

Takeawaypizzatonightcbacooking · 2023-04-29T16:31:09+00:00

I live in Portugal, I’m English, as is Dh, but Dd was born here. My dad says Dd is Portuguese as she was born here, I say English because we’re both English…who is right? How does it work if you’re born in a different country to your parents etc?

ASGIRC · 30/04/2023 15:02

Poopoolittlekitten · 30/04/2023 11:28

Unless there a major disadvantages to being Portuguese ( like conscription or similar) get her the Portuguese citizenship and passport so that she dual national and has EU passport which is a big advantage for her when she’s older- she’ll have freedom of movement across the EU for work, study, pay lower Uni fees if she were to study abroad wtc

No conscription in Portugal. Anyone born after 1982 has not had to do mandatory military service.

Deadpalm · 30/04/2023 15:13

You ARE European. The UK is in Europe. Europe is NOT the same as the EU. There are many European countries that are NOT part of the EU, and they are no less European. Like Switzerland, Russia, Ukraine, etc.

Tbf UK does sometimes feel like a different continent😂
I usually take the Europe as meaning mainland

Brefugee · 30/04/2023 15:14

MollyRover · 30/04/2023 11:05

This is exactly how my British friends feel and why they will be applying for citizenship of the country we live in (giving up their British citizenship to do this) and will encourage their children to do the same when they become eligible.

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to be honest, it's an awful feeling. But i simply don't trust them to do the right thing by their own citizens in the future. Especially if they aren't white.

Deadpalm · 30/04/2023 15:16

There is another windrush brewing with the EUSS btw...

Brefugee · 30/04/2023 15:17

ideas of cultural identity, as opposed to nationality, are really really interesting though.

I remember once when someone at work had a fairly bad accident, and after I'd sorted them out (first aider) and established that we didn't need an ambulance, i said "right, I'll make some tea" and they all just stared at me. Then the penny dropped, and several of my younger colleagues (several nationalities, not just German), who know about all those Brit Memes just nodded and said "yepp, Brits gotta Brit" and went on with their day

TitanicWasAGreatMovie · 30/04/2023 15:24

Similar discussions in my family. My son is an Irish/English passport holder, but born and raised in France and attended an international school (he has no attachment to france despite growing up here). I sometimes feel bad that he doesn't have a strong feeling of any nationality/identity. It's a really interesting situation these 'third country' kids are in.

ASGIRC · 30/04/2023 18:13

Deadpalm · 30/04/2023 15:13

You ARE European. The UK is in Europe. Europe is NOT the same as the EU. There are many European countries that are NOT part of the EU, and they are no less European. Like Switzerland, Russia, Ukraine, etc.

Tbf UK does sometimes feel like a different continent😂
I usually take the Europe as meaning mainland

Sure, but thats incorrect. Iceland is in Europe as well. As is Malta and Cyprus.

Just like Cape Verde is in Africa, despite being an archipelago.

Deadpalm · 30/04/2023 18:32

ASGIRC · 30/04/2023 18:13

Sure, but thats incorrect. Iceland is in Europe as well. As is Malta and Cyprus.

Just like Cape Verde is in Africa, despite being an archipelago.

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Ime people on here usually actually mention islands. It's weird but that is what I deduced from the use on here. So again, I usually take the Europe to mean mainland

DownNative · 30/04/2023 18:33

TitanicWasAGreatMovie · 30/04/2023 15:24

Similar discussions in my family. My son is an Irish/English passport holder, but born and raised in France and attended an international school (he has no attachment to france despite growing up here). I sometimes feel bad that he doesn't have a strong feeling of any nationality/identity. It's a really interesting situation these 'third country' kids are in.

There is no such thing as an English passport.....🤦‍♂️

TitanicWasAGreatMovie · 01/05/2023 06:50

You are right (that's my identity showing through 🙈 !!) I should have said he has a British passport, obviously.

Ladybug14 · 01/05/2023 06:59

iasservices.org.uk/pt/portuguese-citizenship-by-birth/#:~:text=Citizenship%20by%20birth%20or%20descent,where%20one%20parent%20is%20Portuguese.

Julietand · 01/05/2023 07:07

It depends on both the laws and her own feelings.

For example, my children are all born in an Asian country (Country A) but I am British and my husband is from a different country altogether (Country C). My children legally are NOT citizens of Country A, despite being born here and living here for their entire lives, because the laws of Country A recognises them as foreign due to their parents nationality.

Legally they are British, due to their passport, although they would probably don’t feel British. Does your child have a Portuguese citizenship, passport, etc? I suppose that’s relevant.

I wouldn’t say they just being born in a country makes you from that country. Personal feeling is very important. Your daughter might just consider herself as ‘international’ which is how a lot of the children of expats in my area identify.

Housewife2010 · 01/05/2023 07:11

By your Dad's reasoning, Cliff Richard is Indian.