To think boys shouldn’t go in to men’s toilets???

[Scotlandma]

This is hypothetical I seen another post about someone not letting their 9 year old use mens public bathrooms

what age do other people let their children go in to toilets on their own?

and how do you navigate them using the disabled toilets if not?? I’d be so worried in case someone actually disabled needed them

Men can just go to their own bog. And train your boys to do the same.

@Jonei

But isn't the issue that some mothers of boys on this thread are concerned about the risk that their son may be assaulted or raped?

I can't square the idea that some posters think that public toilets are high risk for women and girls but no risk whatsoever for an 8 year old boy on his own. Or is it ok for an 8 year old boy to be raped because he's a boy?

I repeat, I don't think the answer to this is having older boys in the women's toilet but your attitude towards this concern really isn't any better than the posters who seem oblivious to the needs of young girls.

Again. Where’s this guys mum. He’s an adult. We all know adult biological males shouldn’t be in toilets.
If you want to make changes look at which political party support women and girls and vote accordingly.

Of course it does. If the chance something is 1:100 million you're more likely to permit it than if it's 1:1000.

Otherwise you just never let your children do anything, and never let them out the house, never ride bikes, never cross the road, never do anything.

The whole of parenting is about risk management.

Yes and much more risky in a toilet block, with individual toilets opening onto a pavement it is much more likely that someone would see than in a toilet block at a quiet time. People will still object though, I was eventually told on another thread that if a male backside had touched the seat that was enough to say no to unisex individual units.

Sorry I should have said
adult biological males shouldnt be in womens toilets. They are of course allowed to use a loo.

Where's this guys mum? She was there, the poster spoke to her. He's an adult. The poster said he was 10, that isn't an adult.

They have an alarm system and the cleaners ( or others) have the ability to open the doors. There’s a default on the locking systems in large complexes with toilets.

I was referring to the picture you posted. Just a male on his own.

What picture did I post?

Apologies, not u. My comment was attached to the post for @Merrymumoftwo

Alarms that are usually tied up or cut off near the ceiling, also rarely accessible to someone who has fallen etc, or someone being assaulted. Yet people who oppose enclosed toilets for safety reasons don’t seem to care about those exact toilets already existing for those who require an accessible facility.

Yet people never use this argument for accessible toilets, the ones likely occupied by those who are more likely to fall, have a seizure, struggle with the lock etc.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Why make the problem worse? Of course many disabled cubicles that are actually in the women's toilet do have the gap. Which is better.

This keeps happening to me lately. Scares the life out of me as I am looking after an elderly relative with dementia and I keep thinking, "Oh no this is the start of it, I don't even know what I'm posting." Thanks for letting me know I haven't quite lost it yet.

Yet people who oppose enclosed toilets for safety reasons don’t seem to care about those exact toilets already existing for those who require an accessible facility.

And maybe safer accessible toilets are something that people with disabilities should campaign for. Maybe you could help with that.

I wonder what the statistics are for people getting attacking in the traditional block of toilets? I think they can be very scary at night in a quiet location.

I feel much safer in the single sex women's toilets that have the gap.

I’m a mum of both and my son comes into the ladies with me and will do until I decide otherwise. My daughter wouldn’t have batted an eye if another CHILD who happened to be male was in the toilets when she was there, unless he did something to warrant it. What nonsense this is. And why was it never a problem until trans people started to ask for some rights.

Girls are upset by a male child accompanied by a parent walking past while they wash their hands?

How do they know the child is male or female without checking their genitals?!

This is getting surreal.

rampagingrobot

Yes risk management ie you manage risk as you see fit as a parent.Ignoring risk because of data isn’t really how safeguarding works. You wouldn’t expect schools to ignore risk, circumstances and individual sense of concern because of data when looking after your child so parents shouldn’t either. Risks are low on all sorts of things we follow safe guarding procedures for.

Parents already do this, I’m pretty sure if every boy 6 and above was left to go into every male loo unaccompanied the numbers would be far higher.

One case is enough as the impact is catastrophic so dismissing life altering and traumatic incidents as data is pretty shit really.
Parents should make their own decisions and be left to trust their instinct.

It isn't the cubicle I find scary, it is going into the block, all those doors lined up and a nutter could be behind any one of them and at a quiet time who is going to see or hear you in there? They never seem to be that well lit either, I've gone into the old blocks that have now been replaced and been confronted with drug users injecting, drunk/drugged young women being aggressive. The new single ones that open onto the pavement feel so much safer.

I think the sensible answer is: it depends where.
A family centred museum, somewhere only people with children are… pretty young. As long as they can manage the doors tbh.
local swimming pool, about 7.
Central London, getting a bit late with a maze of a toilet that’s got a public door to the street? Some of them I’d politely ask the queue if the women minded my 12 yr old popping in! Or we’d find a different one. They are unsafe frankly, he’s not going to navigate open drug use, sexual meet ups etc.
All toilets are not equal

I didn’t say it was a remarkably successful solution. I was just pointing out how it is designed to work in disabled toilets.

How do they know the child is male or female without checking their genitals?!

Really? The vast majority of schoolchildren are very obviously male or female to anybody glancing at them. Yes, there are a few people where it's harder to tell, but it's hardly like it's a big permanent mystery until you ask somebody or they randomly tell you. Even toddlers can usually identify whether a (clothed) stranger their age or older is a woman like mummy or a man like daddy.

Why do you think that most schoolkids tend to converge towards others of their own sex, if they don't even understand the differences between the sexes (without recourse to checking genitals)?

I know exactly how you feel.
I find gin helps 🤣🤣🤣

There you go! I didn’t digest your post correctly…..again!!!