To think boys shouldn’t go in to men’s toilets???

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This is hypothetical I seen another post about someone not letting their 9 year old use mens public bathrooms

what age do other people let their children go in to toilets on their own?

and how do you navigate them using the disabled toilets if not?? I’d be so worried in case someone actually disabled needed them

Is your son disabled? Or are you just another mum who thinks your own paranoia is a disability?

I mean that it’s been said on this thread that assaults against girls happen less than against boys so on that basis boys should be prioritised.

I took that to mean that one assault on girls would be OK.

You do you. I expect you'll be back at some point in the future, outraged, when he gets chased out by the teen girls.

@Sirzy my son underwent a traumatic leg amputation in February 2022, thanks.

That’s right.
Technically anyone can use a toilet that they feel most comfortable in.
Hence trans can use any toilet, aswell as everyone else.
Try calling the police next time you see a guy in your facility, there’s nothing they can do.

Just stand at the door, a pee doesn’t take that long I have 4 boys and I’ve never had toilet angst they just go, no hanging about in and out - making sure they wash their hands. They got to an age 7 or 8 maybe where they didn’t want to come in with me anymore which is fair enough.

This is all so reminiscent of the arguments about wheelchair spaces on buses.

Mums argue that for safety reasons they won’t be folding the pram, that it’s not their fault there aren’t pram spaces, that the group that the spaces are for need to Be Kind, and it’s on everyone to campaign for better spaces even though the disabled group already has a space for them, it’s just being nicked by another group.

@YouCouldHaveKnockedMeDownWithAFeather I didn't know this. Wonder why they bother putting a m/f sign on the door if you can pop in where you fancy.

Where has anyone said that on this thread?

One assault on a child, male or female, is never ok.

You mean because they’re all fighting in the ladies…

@fitzwilliamdarcy I think it's more that parental supervision is possible in the womens, by mothers of all children in there. A small boy in the mens is completely alone.

Was that actually said? Or did I say your experience must be quite rare (to get assaulted by 2 9 year old boys with their mums present) compared to the amount of children abused in mens public toilets?

As a victim of abuse, one would think you might have some empathy and want to prevent ANY child abuse. Instead, it just seems to be girls you want to protect.

Are you always so prophetic?

It wasn’t ever an issue before people respected the different sexes.
But with gender/ trans issues using woman’s spaces it now is.
Existing Buildings don’t even have to have separate spaces they can all be unisex, just those being built now (Tory’s brought it in in the summer ) have to provide a space for all.

Watch this space, whoever wins the next general election could turn it all round again against women.

You did indeed suggest my experience must be rare, and then said that of the two options you’d prefer the rarer:

It's awful that it has to come down to a choice, but yes, I would choose the option that results in the least incidents of abuse.

Please don’t talk to me about how that experience should have affected my desire to advocate for your cause. Of course I don’t want any child to be at risk of assault. I just disagree with you that the answer is to put girls at risk of what I experienced. Very easy for you to say it’s rare - it didn’t happen to you.

Bowing out of this thread now. Apologies that being assaulted apparently has given me a lack of empathy(!), compared to all the mums freely co-opting others’ spaces.

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I've got teens. I see the shit that gets posted on tik tok from their own schools. Including one male being hunted out of the girls changing room. Believe me, it's not pretty.

I stand by what I said, that's why I said it. Unless you're a girl out with her dad and have no other choice, your mum can accompany you in the toilets and protect you. Any boys in the women's loos should also be accompanied by their mum. Add to this that it's probably far, far less usual for a 9 year old to sexually abuse anyone than it is an adult. The risk is much lower than a child entering a man's toilet alone.

@8state Even if it is legal that that doesn't mean an adult of the opposite sex in the loo is ethically/morally right. There is a big difference.

But I didn't think we were talking about unaccompanied teens. We're talking about young, prepubescent children.

Most of the boy's being mentioned on here aren't teens though. They're not perving in the girl's changing rooms at school.

My son and his classmates don't even own phones, so he's not ending up on tiktok anytime soon.

*boys

Well he won't as long as you manage to let go and let him use the male toilets on his own before he becomes obviously too old to be in the females.

Also, tiktok doesn't just occur in schools.

It's been a long thread @CellophaneFlower, so finally switching off. Good to have been in your company though.