To wish people would stop saying 'Jesus' all the bloody time

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I can't read a thread on here without someone saying "Jesus Christ" or "Jesus wept" or similar.

I'm not a prude AT all and I have no issue with people swearing but as a Christian I find it highly offensive when people throw Jesus' name round in a negative way, without a thought for others' feelings and religions.

Most people wouldn't dream of using words that were offensive to other religions so why is it acceptable when it's 'Jesus?'.

This is a genuine message to ask people to PLEASE think before they post/speak.

Sorry, I must have missed the part where I said I'm a satanist.

Sigh. “Pray for these lost souls”🤦‍♀️ from the Catholic Church🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️.

The satanic temple has nothing to do with Satan (except if you believe anything not Christian is satanic) they have been very active in protecting women and gay rights esp in the US - in my book that makes them a lot less “evil” than the Catholic Church.

It's not worship of a dude named Satan that makes someone one. It's rebellion against God, joining him and the third of angels that fell who refused to worship Jesus. They have their black mass with stolen Catholic hosts. The majority of people aren't interested in their thing I know. I did know that they were having their first conference and as I say about a week later Russia started the war.

https://nypost.com/2023/04/26/hell-raisers-largest-ever-gathering-of-satan-worshipers-comes-to-boston/

Sorry are you saying that anyone not agreeing with your homophobic ramblings is a)a satanist and b)has something to with the Invasion of Ukraine?

What a really silly thing to say. How do you know when you’re dead you’re dead? What proof of you have?

I never personally got involved in abortion, I never had one and never prayed at a clinic. I understand that they see it as a sacrament to their religion. Trans is something they are all for.

I pray for many things in my own home. For example I am dedicating my rosary today for this little girl.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12020771/Tragic-moments-girl-three-carried-away-raped-murdered-betrayal.html

If you don't believe in a soul you think that's it, so won't believe that your soul is judged and sent to three places made by the creator. He isn't inclusive of his love, after he is rejected at the judgement, he gave free will, so the souls of those who reject him life out eternity without his love.

@SpeedSnap the Satanic Temple is a secular organisation standing up for the rights of women and LGBT people, and working for greater social and economic equality. They say abortion is a right in their faith to get around abortion bans in the batshit parts of the US, not because it's actually a religious thing.

Abortion bans kill women. Did you not know this? These people are trying to save women's lives.

It does actually help to know what you're talking about when you're enthusiastically denouncing things.

Other brands of theistic satanism are of course available.

And indeed other brands of atheistic Satanism. I actually know some very nice atheistic Satanists, often quite clever people too.

Actually, you can believe in a “soul” and not believe any of those other things either

Actually, they are not all for trans, some people are (typically the young folk) many aren’t. Although it’s not the sarangi. Temple there was actually a massive falling out in the OTO about this point a while back.

I have nothing to do with abortions, what is it that you don't understand about that?🙄i am not answering abortion stuff I have nothing to so with tjem never did.

When my Mum was pregnant in Ireland during the 1980s, there was no need for an abortion they saved her life, the baby died. They buried the baby for us too and comforted us.

I am not a good enough soul to deal with any of that, you need to be spirituality tougher than I am, hence I pray for other people. I did a rosary for a three year old a Mother handed over to be murdered by someone else.

Look if you want to shout and yell at the people on their knees at abortion clinics, praying for people to not go to hell, I suggest you take it up with them directly, they are all geared up spirituality. I don't get involved as I am low grade, you want to go fight the big shots, see if you can take them down, it may satisfy you more.

@SpeedSnap you're the one who brought up abortion in the context of your ill informed post about The Satanic Temple, so don't be surprised when people challenge you on it.

@SpeedSnap

It seems strange to be the one to bring up the topic of abortion then seemingly be outraged when people ask you about that topic...

@SpeedSnap, pointythings wasn't randomly haranguing you about abortions or your views on them, she was explaining to you that your belief about abortion being a rite for Satanists is based on a misunderstanding. She was trying to explain to you that:

• despite apparent efforts to establish a nation with freedom of religion, in some ways the US is set up to privilege religion, and those who can point to a faith-based justification for what they want to do
• some Americans who believe in both freedom of and freedom from religion, realised they could "play the game"
• they set up a "religion" of their own, saying that, for example, the freedoms they want are fundamental to that religion
• but this wasn't just a con trick to get around the rules — if they were just trying to cheat the system, they'd have gone for something discreet, but instead they deliberately chose a provocative, attention-grabbing name, one that might make those of the dominant Christian religion think twice about things like, say, whether it's really a good idea to have religion represented in officialdom like having religious symbols in public buildings.

To expand on that: if you're Christian living in a Christian-dominated but nominally secular (that is, not affiliated with or privileging any particular religion, rather than atheistic) country, you might think nothing of it if you went into a courtroom to be tried, and there was a cross on one wall and a plaque with the Ten Commandments on the other.

But if you were of another religion or of no religion, you might feel uncomfortable, marginalised, maybe concerned you weren't going to be treated fairly. (These symbols can also act as religious priming — that is, just having seen them can affect people's subsequent behaviour — including judges, jurors, witnesses etc.)

IIRC, US law says something along the lines of, if one religion is allowed to put a symbol somewhere in a public (i.e. taxpayer-funded, apparatus of state) building, then all religions should be treated equally. By choosing the name and symbols of Satanism, the group that I mentioned would be able to, firstly, make a point about how it feels to see religious beliefs you profoundly disagree displayed in a public building that should be for everyone equally, and secondly, use that as leverage to get religious symbols out of public buildings altogether.

pointy wasn't asking you to account for your beliefs on abortion; she was generously explaining to you that you were operating under a misconception. Although it's understandable that you believed what you said was true — it's something they say about themselves, after all — it's not actually true that they genuinely believe in abortion as a religious rite. They're not a satanic religious group with bloodthirsty rites, they're a political and civil liberties group who've felt they have to play the system to make a point about the system's flaws.

Well, we’ve gone full, god-fearing Nutso in here, haven’t we?

@HeadbandOverMyEyes thank you for getting it!

Interestingly there is also research suggesting that jurors who are religious are more likely to find someone guilty if they choose not to swear their oath on the Bible. That sort of thing really shouldn't happen.

Look if you want to shout and yell at the people on their knees at abortion clinics, praying for people to not go to hell, I suggest you take it up with them directly, they are all geared up spirituality. I don't get involved as I am low grade, you want to go fight the big shots, see if you can take them down, it may satisfy you more.

Hopefully once exclusion zones come into force no one will have to. It will be a lot harder to harass women accessing health care.

It really shouldn't. Unfortunately, there's no practical way to prevent a jury's prejudices coming into play with something that's immediately apparent, like sex or race or accent, or sometimes religion — and also, of course, during the course of a trial, other things that could prejudice the jury, such as someone's sexuality or religion, might emerge unavoidably. But requiring what amounts to a public declaration of religious belief is just gratuitously introducing a potential source of unfair discrimination.

I hope my elaboration for Speed of the Satanic Temple's purpose and methods isn't too mangled… I'm not American, and it's a while since I read about their activities, so I might have messed up on the mechanisms of how US law works (and then there's all the different state law systems…). It's just with that massive misconception on the table that was threatening to morph into yet another abortion row, and your message seeming not to have got through, I just felt the need for a pedantically-detailed, unignorable slab of text 😅

:) I'm not religious, but personally I think if Jesus really did exist, and if God is/was his dad, then I don't think either of them would really care! They have a lot more to worry about with what's happening here on planet earth at the moment! Plus, I reckon if they did exist, they'd have a good sense of humour, are quite forgiving, and would be fairly chill about it all. If they are more uptight and less forgiving and would actually care, then I'm not sure they really deserve the godly and all perfect status attributed to them :)

Of course he isn’t ‘inclusive’. The Christian god is a slave master, demanding servitude. Of course there is the illusion of choice as to whether one serves or not, but the consequence of not serving is hell.

Christianity reflects the society that birthed it, and found favour with slaves. Of course it did, it told them service was worth it, and that they would reap the rewards in the afterlife. It’s a great pitch when you have little else to look forward to.

Some people really struggle with life then they meet evil people like Phyllis.

Irish hospitals were performing D&Cs after placenta abrupions and saving life back in the day.

Irish hospitals were performing D&Cs after placenta abrupions and saving life back in the day.

Maybe, but it was an Irish hospital that let Savita Halappanavar die because of the Irish laws against abortion.

What's that video supposed to tell us? (I'm not going to watch it, I don't watch religious propaganda). So someone found God. That's actually great. I jointly run a support group for people who have loved ones in addiction, and some of us have relatives who have found sobriety through faith. However, some of us also have relatives who have found sobriety without any religious input. There is no universal remedy for anything that works for everyone.

Who the fuck is Phyllis, @SpeedSnap? Well, maybe mentioned in the video, I'm guessing, but I'm not spending over half an hour of my life watching a random video that I would never willingly inflict upon myself, at least, not without you giving me a really compelling reason to do so. If you want me to make the effort of watching, you can first make the effort of explaining why I should.

I'm not sure why you're so determined to go down this pointless abortion/obstetric route, though. Of course, I don't at all doubt that you're telling the truth when you say you don't want to talk about abortion. However, an uncharitable observer might note that: you brought up the subject of abortion, whether deliberately making a spurious accusation or simply making an honest mistake; when given a simple explanation of your factual error, you completely ignored the actual post that had been written, instead choosing to go off on a rant about being asked about your views on abortion (which you weren't); and when given a more detailed explanation of your error, you completely ignored that, too, and posted a long Christian propaganda video you expect people to watch, with a cryptic comment, and a claim about Irish obstetric procedures.

It's funny, how you keep bringing us back to this topic you don't want to talk about, and avoiding engagement with other posters' actual points.

Quit the evasive, broadcast-only "debate" tactics, and if you have an argument to make, make it.

Maybe, but it was an Irish hospital that let Savita Halappanavar die because of the Irish laws against abortion.

I think she tragically died because the hospital didn't recognise the signs of sepsis early enough and so she didn't get the care she deserved. Yes, maybe if she had an abortion earlier when she asked for one her life may have been saved, there's no doubt that the fact that abortion was illegal in Ireland at the time could have had an impact in that regard. But if the hospital had been doing it's job properly she might also have been saved.

Though the abortion laws in place at the time definitely contributed to uncertainty around treatment, doctors would have been permitted to legally abort if theý had realised in time that her life was in danger. But they didn't realise this owing to a number of errors in her care. There was inadequate assessment and monitoring in the first place and later on a failure to adhere to clinical guidelines for severe sepsis.

I realise that's not any better really, her death was a terrible tragedy, but the circumstances were more complicated that the above quote suggests.